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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 18:58:42 GMT
So I'm thinking of starting on a suit of armor for myself. It will probably be somewhere after the expensive holiday season before I can start on it but I'm doing some research into it now. I'm planning to buy pre made dome riveted links but don't know what style of link to use, the flat or round ring? When was which one used? Are there any books/websites or other sources available on the subject? Thanks in advance!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 19:03:39 GMT
Round will be stronger. Flat will be lighter. What do you plan to use it for?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 19:06:56 GMT
Mostly display, but I plan to make it as historical as I possibly can.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2009 18:13:06 GMT
Flat is better. The round will be 30 to 40 lbs depending on length and sleeves. That's with zink-ion too. On the plus side you can find something butted for display for $100 to $200. Unless your guests are in swords and armor they will not know the difference. For fighting, keep it at 20 lbs or less. Flat riveted is the traditional way but flat welded is the better way. The rivets tend to catch on things and rip up the gambson. Stainless welded is the most practical. Titanium welded costs more but is a little lighter. Mildsteel is closest to traditional but rusts. The rusting is impossible to clean because of the nature of the rings. The rust will stain your cloths. The only way to prevent it is to store it in oil. Then you have to contend with oil stains on your cloths. Mild steel mail is just not practical and does not sell well. You might be able to find traditional flat mild and riveted at Van Sussan if you talk to him direct. He might have something on clearance since fighters avoid mild. If you want stainless rivited you can get if for about $400 from Van sussan. sussen.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/page15.htmlFor welded stainless, titanium or mild talk to these guys. weldedchainmail.com/products/For cheap butted stuff look through ebay. I think Hanwei has something too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2009 15:34:23 GMT
Unless your guests are in swords and armor they will not know the difference. Ghehehe. Some are, and some others will know enough about history to notice the difference between butted and riveted. But I want to go dome riveted because of the availability of premade rings. Except for the rings I want to make it all myself and although flat is more excepted I'm now kind of leaning towards the round rings just because they are much and much cheaper. If anybody knows any more good sources for lose riveted rings and rivets then that would be very helpful. I know about the rust issue but because this will be display mostly and kept indoors I don't really worry about it. Plus I think it would ad some authenticity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2009 15:59:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2009 16:21:22 GMT
Most of the expense in Mail making comes from the manual labor. If you are doing all the assembly yourself it should be cheap. You should be able to get about 3,000 rings and rivets for $20. Well you might be surprised how expensive some sources are, gdfb flat riveted rings are 35/40 pounds for a kilo.. estimating i'm going to need atleast 20kilo, full size hauberk and a coif and there will be mistakes made, rings destroyed etc etc... Well do the math.. expensive. Now Ebon Palladin gave me this link www.wholesalearmor.com/zincrivetrings.html and so far these are the cheapest I've found. The only thing is when you click the order now link it says they are out of stock. Not really a problem atm because I'm not starting this until after the holidays when I'm done buying presents and stuff. Anyway, I took a look at TRL again and it seems they are still not producing the rings. Here's a quote from the website: "The pre-flattened and punched rings are currently unavailable. We are working on making these ourselves and will post any new info we have here or on the Forum. The washer style rings shown here are still available unless noted otherwise by stock numbers." Anyway thanks for the help, I'm gonna take a look at the wiki and all the links there when Ive got some more time.
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Post by dand on Dec 6, 2009 22:05:30 GMT
Flat or round depends on your time period.Roman and Early medieval is going to be round rings with round headed rivets with alternate rows being solid punched or welded links. Arund 1300 especially in Germany, wedge shaped rivets come into style, and later the rings are also flat and every ring is riveted rather than being mixed with solid links. If you want the ultimate collection of scholarly articles on Maille, turn to Erik D Schmidt (who also makes the best reproduction maille bar none, but is very pricy) and his website. These should give you plenty to read...enjoy! www.themailresearchsociety.erikds.com/other_research_articles.htmlI hope this helps, Dan
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2009 22:50:57 GMT
Thanks, somebody else also showed me that website and it is very informative. I'm not able to afford high quality maille but I still want the most bang for the buck, that's why I want to 'construct' it by myself, that way I'll have all the tailoring I want. Now I'm mostly looking at getting the best rings/rivets for my budget
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2009 16:00:27 GMT
Hi Bart, To echo what has already been said, I'd go for flat myself (in fact I will , when I get around doing mail for my kit, this winter)... You could ask SwordNation and Wiwingti for a price on loose rings and rivets from GDFB, they could make good prices compared to the manufacturer's suggested retail prices...but then also inquire about shipping prices to the Netherlands... IceFalcon armoury also sells different kind of loose rings: www.icefalcon.com...I'm looking at their loose rings in the blackened flat riveted steel mail section (75$/2.5 kilos, roughly 5000 rings)...then again, shipping to Netherlands? If shipping prices from America are too much: there must be a GDFB retailer in Europe (England? France? Germany?) that can make a good price on those? Good luck and keep us posted about the result of your quest!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2009 16:12:19 GMT
I found a dutch retailer selling what I think are GDFB rings (the manufacturer isn't listed..) for 30eu/kilo. I might go that way. I also thought about seeing if Richard or wiwingti would be able to help me out but I think the shipping would be killer. Seeing that GDFB is based in Europe it would have to make the trip twice. Unless they ship directly to me. Hmmm that might not be such a bad idea! Thanks for the help!
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Post by Brett Whinnen on Dec 9, 2009 3:03:20 GMT
What weave are you going to use? The standard Euro 4 in 1 or go for something a little more exotic in history?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 4:41:48 GMT
4 in 1, I don't want it to get too complicated lol
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Post by Brett Whinnen on Dec 9, 2009 9:44:27 GMT
4 in 1, I don't want it to get too complicated lol 6 in 1 is easy to get lost in I do like the hang of 6 in 1 though, but 4 in 1 will look awesome with the riveted rings.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 11:11:47 GMT
lol on some try out pieces of butted maille I allready got lost in 4 in 1
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