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Post by YlliwCir on Nov 2, 2009 21:33:38 GMT
Okay, I'm having an ongoing issue with this sword. A black substance has started to appear on the edge, in various areas, and only on the edge of my blade. I assumed it was some type of rust and remove it with light to moderate sanding with 1000 grit or so. It returns occasionally.
Now, this is the only one of my swords I'm having this issue with and I've got a pretty good variety and several other Gen2 pieces. I treat them all the same with nevr-dull for cleaning and silicone spray to prevent rust.
It almost looks like some type of mold, can swords grow mold? LOL
I've had some rust issues in the past with different swords but this looks different and is only on the very edges. This is also my oldest sword, could it be age related. I have no clue. ;D
Any ideas?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2009 21:39:01 GMT
Hey Ric...do you store the sword in the scabbard? Is the scabbard wood core or all leather? Also, does the substance only come off with sandpaper or can you scratch it off with your fingernail? I started spraying the inside of all my scabbards and saya with several applications of silicone spray and haven't had any more trouble with my swords rusting in their scabbards.
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Post by YlliwCir on Nov 2, 2009 21:44:31 GMT
I keep it in a wooden scabbard, Travis. I haven't tried scratching it off, I will if it returns again as I just cleaned it. The nevr-dull takes some off but I had to go to the 1000grit to get it all.
I just sprayed the inside of the scabbard with some silicone, we'll see. Thanks
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Post by sparky on Nov 2, 2009 22:59:25 GMT
I think it age Rick, it sucks getting old. You may have to retire it..... You can PM me for my shipping address.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2009 23:15:55 GMT
This typically happens when someone uses a water-based glue to assemble a scabbard. The glue leaks to the inside and hardens - but it continues to contact the blade. The wood glue is mildly acidic and it causes metal to tarnish badly even when dry. When I learned this, it was with a Del Tin scabbard I made. The same area of the blade would darken over and over again, eventually turning black in areas. I tried alot of different things to prevent it from doing this, but to be honest, nothing worked for very long other than keeping the sword out of the scabbard.
Grey or green Scotchbrite pads work well to get the black off. ;D
Once I made a another scabbard and used epoxy instead of wood glue, the problem stopped.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2009 23:22:30 GMT
Since it's only the edges, I think it might be some rot in your scabbard. The wood core itself has the issue, not the sword, so to speak. Maybe time for a new scabbard? Hopefully the spray did the trick of finishing everything up as it ought to be.
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Post by sparky on Nov 3, 2009 0:48:00 GMT
This typically happens when someone uses a water-based glue to assemble a scabbard. The glue leaks to the inside and hardens - but it continues to contact the blade. The wood glue is mildly acidic and it causes metal to tarnish badly even when dry. When I learned this, it was with a Del Tin scabbard I made. The same area of the blade would darken over and over again, eventually turning black in areas. I tried alot of different things to prevent it from doing this, but to be honest, nothing worked for very long other than keeping the sword out of the scabbard. Grey or green Scotchbrite pads work well to get the black off. ;D Once I made a another scabbard and used epoxy instead of wood glue, the problem stopped. Man, I'm trying to scam a free sword here.  With answers as clear and sensible as this Rick will never see the logic of my reply! ;D Seriously though , that definitely sounds like it could be the culprit. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2009 1:19:53 GMT
I had this happen on an old knife of mine. I tried everything, but it turned out to be a deamon. It had manifested itself inside the blade and slowly it's dark energies started to leak out. I tried a young priest, and old priest and a rabbi, none of them could help me.
So I took the blade to the equator on the summer solstice, and stabbed it into a virgin goat.
Didn't have a problem after that.
Buuuut, the part about the glue seems to make the most sense to me. If it was your scabbard rotting, I don't think that it would stain the blade like you are describing.
And if it is a deamon, give me a PM, I know a good goat farmer that I can set ya up with.
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Post by Dan Davis on Nov 3, 2009 1:25:08 GMT
Seen it a lot, decaying wood glue IS the answer. Not goat-stabbing. Sorry.
Go to the gun shop, get a set of brass bore-cleaning brushes and a ramrod and use those brushes (sans any oil or lubricant) to "rasp" out the edges and seams of the scabbard. Tap out any loose gunk or wood shavings you bring up.
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Nov 3, 2009 3:05:06 GMT
I get those dark spots from time to time but mine were from water. I too notice it on the edge where there are any grooves from a file or whetstone for whatever material to collect in
Ever cut a mustard bottle? Mustard is what I used to darken my Ringhilt Bastard sword. While the treatment was in progress the blade was BLACK at first then turned to a blacky brown before I wiped it off. Now its a polished brown (almost like a gem like sheen as you turn it in the light) with black spots throughout.
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Post by YlliwCir on Nov 3, 2009 9:55:12 GMT
Ah, food for thought, thanks guys.
Odingaard, I hadn't considered the scabbard as the culprit. The woodglue sounds right to me, especially with the concurrence of you other fellas.
Dan, I will try your idea.
Thanks everyone! I'll be passing out karmas.
Sorry, Sparky, it's till death do us part with this blade. Don't get any ideas.
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Post by enkidu on Nov 3, 2009 23:57:37 GMT
If that doesnt work Ric i would really consider that goat suggestion. You may want to be sure its really a malicious spirit that inhabits the blade though and i've got a fault-proof method for ya Ric ! Just hold the sword upside down by the blade at midnight on a full moon naked wearing only a piece of pure white wool cloth on your head in front of a mirror. If the spirit's form appears in the mirror then you know you'll have to PM Greg to get the farmer's number. Simple as that. ( I'm sure that you can skip that whole equator thing, its for purists )
Aaaahhh SBG's members, always there to help !
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Post by sparky on Nov 4, 2009 1:17:57 GMT
If that doesnt work Ric i would really consider that goat suggestion. You may want to be sure its really a malicious spirit that inhabits the blade though and i've got a fault-proof method for ya Ric ! Just hold the sword upside down by the blade at midnight on a full moon naked wearing only a piece of pure white wool cloth on your head in front of a mirror. If the spirit's form appears in the mirror then you know you'll have to PM Greg to get the farmer's number. Simple as that. ( I'm sure that you can skip that whole equator thing, its for purists ) Aaaahhh SBG's members, always there to help ! Even though it would be good in the forum album, please don't take pictures of this. Although the ladies here mite like it. |
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Post by YlliwCir on Nov 4, 2009 22:08:58 GMT
No, Jak, I have never cut the mustard, tho I will if I come across some.
I'll keep the goat in mind. I been wanting a goat to I don't have to cut the grass.
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Post by Dave(utilityslave) on Nov 4, 2009 22:19:20 GMT
Ah, that's what you want the goat for.............
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Post by sparky on Nov 4, 2009 22:31:59 GMT
Ah, that's what you want the goat for............. You gotta watch them goats, sheep they like to butt you with their heads. On my wife and my 8th. anniversary I was doing electrical work in a barn with sheep. I turn around and one of them stupid animals hit me hard in the groin area, missed the jewels but it hurt me real bad. I was black and blue down there for weeks. Anyway the funny part of this story is that my mother who worked in the office called my wife wondering how to fill out the paper work. She's like "he lives in West Virginia and he has suffered a groin injury with a sheep.......... |
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Post by Dave(utilityslave) on Nov 4, 2009 22:39:48 GMT
Well, it would have been a real problem if the sheep was also a cousin...........ok, maybe not!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2009 2:50:50 GMT
Actually Ric, getting a goat wouldn't be a bad idea. I've got this really steep bank infront of where I live, and it's a pain in the rear to weedeat. I could go ahead and get that goat, steak it down on the bank and then if I ever found myself with a possessed blade, BAM I've already got the goat.
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