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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 16:52:16 GMT
looking on differents sites there seem to be a difference between naval an pirate. the pirate cutlass usually having a shorter and wider blade, and the naval being more elegant.
why is that, aren't both cutlasses supposed to cover the same ground?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 17:43:12 GMT
You really need to post some example links. In many places they're the same thing. For instance MRL/Windlass sells a Pirate Companion Cutlass that is an 1860 US Naval Cutlass reproduction (that they already make for civil war reinactors). The 1860 is the US copy of a french design from the 1830s that was a refinement of a Napoleonic pattern.
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Post by alvin on Oct 30, 2009 17:53:32 GMT
.....the pirate cutlass usually having a shorter and wider blade, and the naval being more elegant. why is that, .....? Sailors tend to be gentlemen and take pride in their looks, whereas pirates tend to be short, fat slobs ?
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Post by YlliwCir on Oct 30, 2009 18:24:34 GMT
.....the pirate cutlass usually having a shorter and wider blade, and the naval being more elegant. why is that, .....? Sailors tend to be gentlemen and take pride in their looks, whereas pirates tend to be short, fat slobs ? Is that so?
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Post by alvin on Oct 30, 2009 18:26:35 GMT
Well I did say tend to be.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 18:50:57 GMT
Sailors tend to be gentlemen and take pride in their looks, whereas pirates tend to be short, fat slobs ? Is that so? I'd let her board my ship...run her right to the Captain's cabin I would.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2009 19:57:53 GMT
looking on differents sites there seem to be a difference between naval an pirate. the pirate cutlass usually having a shorter and wider blade, and the naval being more elegant. why is that, aren't both cutlasses supposed to cover the same ground? As far as I'm aware, there was no such thing as a "pirate cutlass." Pirates didn't really have their equipment custom-made, they used the same weapons as everyone else. There wouldn't be a difference between their swords and the ones used by regular sailors. Actually, now that I think about it, saying there's such a thing as a specific "pirate sword" is just as incorrect as saying there's a specific "ninja sword." Which is a kinda funny thought. I'd let her board my ship...run her right to the Captain's cabin I would. I'd run her through with my cutlass! I'd let her hoist my Jolly Roger! She could commandeer my dinghy any day! I'd plunder her hidden treasure! I'd ready my cannon for her broadside! I'd, er... Yeah, I'm out of pirate innuendo now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 3:52:24 GMT
Hello LL, I been to MRL's shop in Georgia and have handled the Pirate's Companion offered in the MRL catolog and the U.S. 1861 Ames Naval Cutlass in the Atlanta Catolog (or vica virca). If I remember correctly the handles and hilts are identicle but the blade of the Pirates' Companion is a tiny bit wider and heavier if I remember correctly.
Yep, it is about time I make a trip to Conyers, Georgia to the MRL/Atlanta Cutlery place! Later, Freebooter Alabama
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 10:49:23 GMT
If its of any interest, I did a review of the Windlass 'Pirate companion sword' a while back- /index.cgi?board=swordreviews&action=display&thread=10078&page=1#162778 Its a version of a French naval cutlass, introduced in 1833, which was widely copied (including the US 1861 model). I've actually got two now, since I'm planning on fabricating a new guard for one, to use left handed. They're sweet little swords! Great blades! Most Windlass names and descriptions are fairly fanciful. As others have noted, real pirates used whatever weapons were to hand, and so weren't distinguishable from military or civilian weaponry of the time. Fictional pirates, of course, can be armed in much more exotic and exciting ways.. This particular sword-style is over a century past the 'golden age'of piracy. But accompanied by a tricorn, eyepatch and puffy shirt, they still look pretty cool! ;D Cheers Marc E
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 16:08:35 GMT
Yep, they are beautiful little swords and perfect for close up or tight spaces. I have the 1861 Cutlass and it is so neat and beautiful. I want to get me a pirate's companion also. Later, FB
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 6:02:20 GMT
I'd let her board my ship...run her right to the Captain's cabin I would. I'd run her through with my cutlass! I'd let her hoist my Jolly Roger! She could commandeer my dinghy any day! I'd plunder her hidden treasure! I'd ready my cannon for her broadside! I'd, er... Yeah, I'm out of pirate innuendo now. Seize her booty? Plunder her baubles? Uncover her chest of valuables? Sail her uncharted waters? I mean I didn't even have to try hard for those.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 6:26:44 GMT
I made a mistake about the Pirates' Companion and the U.S. Ames 1861 Naval Cutlass having identicle handles and hilts and all. While the guard is pretty much identicle, the Pirates' Companion has a wooden grip with no leather covering or wire wrapping but the Naval Cutlass does. I think they are both little beauties. I still love a good ol' Cavalry sabre. You can not only reach out there for that thrust or cut or parry, but if you keep your guard up right with it you have a better shield and protecion so to speak (Watch CS' Fighting with the Sabre and Cutlass"! Freebooter
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2010 2:22:27 GMT
As Anders/Swashbuckler said, the distinction between 'Naval' and 'pirate' is much like that between 'Samurai' and 'ninja.' Naval personnel and Samurai were open and honored members of society while pirates and ninja were dishonorable social outcasts shunned by polite society. No one in feudal Japan would have openly declared themselves to have been ninja any more than any sane person would have walked up to an officer of the Royal Navy and declared himself a pirate in the eighteenth century. The cutlasses used by pirates were, by and large, naval cutlasses. They were not emblazoned with skulls and crossbones. The designation of a "pirate's cutlass" is merely a modern marketing ploy through which sales of weapons of varying degrees of quality may be sold to persons wishing to display motifs that would have been disguised or hidden in the period(s) for which they are supposed to have belonged. Bear in mind that piracy is as old as any other seafaring activity; there has been piracy as long as there has been ANY type of commerce at sea. The popular notion of piracy in the 'new world' is a small piece of the big picture. For a working cutlass that would be suitable for nearly any post-renaissance naval or piratical seafaring person, I recommend the U.S. naval or Coastie cutlass @ www.militarysabers.com/navy-nco-cutlass.html
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2010 1:54:41 GMT
Hey BG, Yep, I am sure the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Phonoecians, Trojans, Carthaginians, ancient Chinese and Japanese, etc, all had to deal with Pirates in their day! The Vikings, great sea rovers and raiders that they were, I am sure had to deal with Pirates of some sort sailing the north seas, around the British Isles, etc.. Heck, even in the original Robert E. Howard Conan stories there were prirates. Later, Freebooter
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2010 0:57:11 GMT
harpoon her kraken?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2010 1:04:30 GMT
looking on differents sites there seem to be a difference between naval an pirate. the pirate cutlass usually having a shorter and wider blade, and the naval being more elegant. why is that, aren't both cutlasses supposed to cover the same ground? As far as I'm aware, there was no such thing as a "pirate cutlass." Pirates didn't really have their equipment custom-made, they used the same weapons as everyone else. There wouldn't be a difference between their swords and the ones used by regular sailors. Actually, now that I think about it, saying there's such a thing as a specific "pirate sword" is just as incorrect as saying there's a specific "ninja sword." Which is a kinda funny thought. I'd let her board my ship...run her right to the Captain's cabin I would. I'd run her through with my cutlass! I'd let her hoist my Jolly Roger! She could commandeer my dinghy any day! I'd plunder her hidden treasure! I'd ready my cannon for her broadside! I'd, er... Yeah, I'm out of pirate innuendo now. You forgot, "I'd let her ravage my coastline" Allthough, that's kindy iffy.
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