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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2009 18:20:52 GMT
Lately I have been training also Fiores longsword. I have decided, that sooner or later I need a longsword of my own. I have tried several and the criteria would be:
- overall lenght guite long, about 130 cm/51 inches (I am about 190 cm myself) - not too heavy, allthough that also depends on the balance - long handle, about 30 cm - downturned quillons, like in Pavel Moc Durer - scent stopper/fishtail pommel would be preferred - blunt, a good training sword, durable.
Any suggestions? Price is also a small issue, but lets see what you suggest.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2009 19:17:55 GMT
I'd take a hanwei tinker longsword, but that doesn't have downturned quillons and such. Maybe a custom grip would do the job?
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Post by wiwingti on Oct 25, 2009 20:18:15 GMT
Valiant Armoury have some nice ones too
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 2:07:41 GMT
If price isn't an issue then I say ALBION. Then I repeat ALBION because it rolls off the tongue/keyboard so nicely ;D OK, to be completely serious... It will definitely have good balance and the characteristics you want. The matter would be dulling it (I'm assuming for sparring/forms?) However, for handling, strength, and overall feel, there really ain't any seconds. Then again, if you have even more windfall, take a look at Odinblades. With Lundemo's new special, I'm sure he could cut you an offer you won't be able to refuse
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Oct 26, 2009 13:39:30 GMT
contact John Lundemo... tell him what you want to spend... see what he can do. You will be happy.
Or get a ATrim...
Or an Albion
pssssst.... go with John...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 14:06:14 GMT
you already mentioned Pavel Moc .......
how about a look at the Valiant Armory I-beam trainer ...send it off to the Custom Sword Shop and let them fix it up......
or a Del-Tin 2160.....or a blunt longsword from Armour Class of Scotland.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 14:11:21 GMT
If price isn't an issue then I say ALBION. [...] It will definitely have good balance and the characteristics you want. The matter would be dulling it (I'm assuming for sparring/forms?) You wouldn't have to worry about dulling it if you got one from their Maestro line. Those are made dull, but to have the same handling characteristics as a sharp sword. Their Liechtenauer is 120.65 cm, has an almost 30 cm grip, and a scent stopper pommel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 14:45:16 GMT
If price isn't an issue then I say ALBION. [...] It will definitely have good balance and the characteristics you want. The matter would be dulling it (I'm assuming for sparring/forms?) You wouldn't have to worry about dulling it if you got one from their Maestro line. Those are made dull, but to have the same handling characteristics as a sharp sword. Their Liechtenauer is 120.65 cm, has an almost 30 cm grip, and a scent stopper pommel. I would feel like a criminal dulling a sharp Albion! I noticed that Albion Europe has the Liechtenauer also in stock for 410 euros. Not too bad. Maybe I just save money for a little longer and get an Albion, if I dont come across something offering value for money. Albion is pricey. I know that my teacher has a Arms & armor Spada da Zogho, that he is willing to sell. Aesthetically I dont like it, but it should be a solid tool.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Oct 26, 2009 15:37:44 GMT
Considering how much most of the mentioned swords would cost you might want to consider getting a HAnwei Tinker Longsword blunt and sending to Sonny for the CSS to work on. they might be able to make the down-turned guard you want and I'm pretty sure they either have, or have plans to have a scent-stopper pommel as a standard option for the CSS.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 19:28:32 GMT
Longsword down turned quillions, well balanced, how about this one: but in all seriousness, what’s your price range?
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Post by musicalpoo on Oct 26, 2009 22:34:38 GMT
I'll do my part and suggest the sword I suggest to everyone, DSA Two handed gothic, long handle, fish-tail pommel, heavy but well balanced, now down turned quilions, and comes blunt
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Post by ecovolo on Oct 26, 2009 22:48:39 GMT
If price is a small issue, consider an Atar/Salamander Armory sword. You can get something more historically accurate for the same price, but Atars are *durable*. More info here: www.atar.com/old/--Edward
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Oct 27, 2009 2:55:38 GMT
I have made an exotic longsword training blunt before, with the primary focus being on keeping it looking like a real sword. Including realistic profile taper, diamond section right up to a fairly unnoticably rounded point. This has 2mm edges. Not only those points but we specifically made the most rounded shoulder possible, and a massive tang, plus triple tempering for toughness while keeping it fairly hard. Consctruction is breakdown for inspection and maintenence. It is owned by forum member Teclis22. She is extra long at his specification (over 53") , as he likes very long swords. www.fableblades.com/Llyweilun.htmlBut I was also toying with releasing a model of budget conscious training blunt. And I wonder what is imortant to people? *Like what thickness edge you'd want? *How much you'd care about it looking like a real sword, vs the I-beam style blades? *And would you care for it to look sexy; or just more utilitarian looking (Like an ATrim)? *And how much do people want to spend? i.e: Do you want a tool you can thrash without guilt. Or would you pay extra and have af beautiful piece and treasure it, while still knowing you can use it hard? Anyway if anyone's after any training swords, either a top spec but budget tool or a work of art, feel free to get in touch to discuss it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2009 15:33:57 GMT
*Like what thickness edge you'd want? *How much you'd care about it looking like a real sword, vs the I-beam style blades? *And would you care for it to look sexy; or just more utilitarian looking (Like an ATrim)? *And how much do people want to spend? i.e: Do you want a tool you can thrash without guilt. Or would you pay extra and have af beautiful piece and treasure it, while still knowing you can use it hard? - 2mm or bigger - real sword, since I wouldn't want to buy yet another blunt for public demo's, etc - utilitarian. It is going to get the piss beaten out of it, fancy will just get wrecked - $300 at the top end. see above Most important, it has to feel and behave like a real sword. If it doesn't there are dozens of super cheap options like rattan, nylon or poly that work but don't behave correctly already.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2009 18:14:44 GMT
I still say get the H/T longsword blunt and have a custom hilt made to your specs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 5:13:27 GMT
I've heard good things about Darkwood Armory for practice blunts, but I haven't handled or owned any myself. They CAN get pretty expensive if you get a custom order, but their basic practice longsword is $300.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 8:54:03 GMT
I had a chance to try different swords while training. I chose the Pavel Moc Durer. Not cheap, but in my opinion closest to what I want. I liked the long handle, serious presence and balance. Besides it is a gorgeous sword.
Truth be told, it just whispered to me from the wall. Funny how first impressions are sometimes right. If you like the looks and how the sword feels, get it. A and A Zogho was available, but the looks, lenght and feel were not for me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 9:34:03 GMT
I think you made a wise choice...I'd like to have a Pavel Moc sometime in my life.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 12:24:54 GMT
Maybe I should write a review after I have used the Durer for a while? Of course it is a blunt trainer, but if there is an interest in Pavel Moc swords?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 15:55:17 GMT
Yes, please do so...
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