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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 1:07:22 GMT
Does anybody know a fairly simple way to make a steel round sshield? Im looking for something about 24 inches from one side to the other. The straps are no problem, just makin the steel round and domed is what I cant find a good way to do Thanks in advance
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 1:09:35 GMT
Maybe you could use a trash can lid to make one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 1:26:06 GMT
Actually, I have tried a trash can lid but it doesnt really work very well
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 1:32:02 GMT
In that case, I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 1:55:34 GMT
Do you want it to have a boss in the middle like a buckler or do you just want a more even gradual convex shape to the whole thing?
The second would be the easier option.
Also, What do want to use it for?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 2:33:38 GMT
If you go find a scrap yard, you might get lucky and find a junked Stop Sign in fairly good condition. Then you just dome it with a hammer, cover it, strap it, and use it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 13:09:01 GMT
but try to keep the stop intact cause itll look sweet
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 19:10:58 GMT
I dont want a boss, just evenly domed throughout. Like the Windlass round shield only I dont want to pay thet kind of money for a thin piece of Windlass crap. (no offense to any Windlass fans, I just dont like em) The stop sign thing is a good idea
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 19:26:43 GMT
That Windlass shield isn't bad, actually...relatively light and strong considering its size and weight of steel. Of course, full-on contact blows will batter it, but that's any shield.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 19:36:07 GMT
The windless shield is made of 18 gauge, I believe. While it wouldn't be indestructible it would probably do fine.
Like I said before, what do you want to do with it?
Stop signs are generally made out of aluminum. It would make an ok shield for blunt sparring (aluminum is often used in the sca) It would probably not survive real combat. Aluminum is easier to puncture or sheer than steel. At least in my experience.
Steel is also easier to shape as you can form it a lot more before it begins to form stress fractures. This is not the case with aluminum.
If you just want a fun light weight sparring shield though aluminum would be fine.
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You say you considered a trash can lid but that the windless shield is too thin for what you want? You do realize that a trash can lid is like 26 gauge, probably thinner? I don't mean to come across as rude but it would help if you were to say what you want it for.
PS: Please don't take this as condescending but in case you don't know this, things measured in gauges get thicker as the number gets smaller.
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Oct 20, 2009 1:08:10 GMT
I actually have that windlass one, and it is pretty tough! I've had many sword strikes and even blunted axes against it and while it does dent....not as bad as you'd think....even some pretty strong blows at practice didn't dent it. For 18 guage it holds up very well. I also had a very angry girlfriend go at me with one of my sharps....and apart from some decent nicks in the edge and a good dent from fairly strong thrust, it held up fine. Saved me from some serios stitches anyway which is all I could ask from it! As for making your own, thats not so easy, you're gonna need hammers. A small one handed "sledge", like a 2 - 4 lb with the face re shaped into a rounded dome....you'll also need either a dished out wooden stump, or many armourers today use a bean bag full of lead pellets.....I've been using my 100 lb Evelast punching bag as a "soft anvil" for knocking dents out of my 16 guage breast plate....works well. Then to finish you'll need some flat faced or slightly convexed planishing hammers, available at many large automotive stores that carry Bodymans tools. For the price of the Windlass shield and what it would cost you in tools and materials to make a decent domed steel shield, I'd say the Windlass is your best bet. I Even put a Hanwei buckler on mine as a boss...looks good. You can see a few of the dents that were full forced blows as well as a couple where the sharp sword hit it to the right of the boss, and the thrust just below and to the left of the boss.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2009 16:15:20 GMT
I know guages get smaller as the number gets bigger. I have made a shield out of a trash can lid and its not bad for light stuff, but it dents under the slightest pressure. I want it for sparring. The Windlass shield I love, its just too expensive. and thier steel is ok, I just dont trust the grips. Ive had two bad experiences with Windlass and only one good one so its just me. Though now my budget is $0 cus I flipped my car yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2009 16:18:22 GMT
Oh and I have all the tools as I have made some armor before and I work construction I just didnt know what to do exactly
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2009 16:57:53 GMT
Ah, that sounds like you've got a pretty good set up. If you're budget is zero then the stop sign idea may be your best bet, or any scrap for that matter. I've used all kinds of scrap metal to make armour.
You can dish into just about anything. I've even used rolled up pieces of scrap carpet. Like Jak said, after that you'll need to planish it to get all the hammer bumps out. Ideally this is done from the outside of the piece with a planishing hammer. You need a plannishing stake of some sort though. They can be kind of expensive. The cheaper way is to plannish the shield from the inside against a smooth flat metal surface on the outside, ideally an anvil but there are other things that can work. I've used a large lifting weight before. Since your in construction, maybe you could get one or two of the things you need from there? (Just guessing here)
Oh, and sorry about the car man, that's a real bummer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2009 19:46:35 GMT
thats ok I use a polshed RR stake for planishing and a dished stump for dishing
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Oct 20, 2009 23:35:01 GMT
Sound like your ready to go then. Just need the materials. Heres a "How its made" episode I had bookmarked on making armour....around 0:51 sec. it shows dishing out a breast plate....the guys using an atomatic hammer but the idea would be the same, start at the outside and work your way in. Hope this helps.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Oct 21, 2009 0:55:56 GMT
Maybe you could ask around at any local metal fabrication shops if they might let you use a piece of their equipment. The easiest way to make a dished shield would probably be with an English wheel or a pneumatic plenishing hammer. Or you could get a round piece of metal and cut a thin section out of it (like a very narrow slice of pie). Then pull the metal together to close the gap. Weld it up or thoroughly rivet it. That would make a shallow cone shape. Not quite dished but close.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2009 1:08:41 GMT
What about a lid off an oil drum? Might be close to 25 in dia. May be a bit heavy?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2009 5:05:56 GMT
I agree that that Windlass one is pretty tough. I have seen it in action. If you like that design you might want to get it in T6 aluminum. Steel is Ok for small bucklers. A large shield like that will eat your arm when its all steel. You can get an concave aluminum from By My Hand Design for about $60. Their number is 317-931-0561. You can also get one from a little more from Windrose Armory.
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