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Post by wiwingti on Oct 16, 2009 23:51:14 GMT
It might be considered slightly unwise to conspire on the world wide web. hahaha you're right lol post removed lol
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Post by sparky on Oct 17, 2009 0:23:35 GMT
I just meant with nunchuks. I'm afraid that they just are NOT as cool as they look unless you're willing to put in a decade of training or so... -Slayer I knocked myself out the first time I hit something with mine. Talk about motivation to learn. Wish I had a camcorder, oh wait they didn't have those when I was a kid, 'cause it sure would have been funny. ;D Did get pretty good with them, and now my kids think I'm kinda cool.
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Post by wiwingti on Oct 17, 2009 0:26:10 GMT
you see man,, this is all what i am talking about. at first, you learned it to be cool , to have fun, to do like Bruce Lee name it....
and now you are cool. it mean that , if your kids would have to use them it would be to do the same, or because it is cool. not to hurt anyone lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2009 2:38:12 GMT
I have to agree with all you on how stupid and ineffective outlawing these weapons are. You don't read about someone swinging a morning star in a bar fight in places where they are legal. But this law does nothing to stop a cue ball in a sock being swung. Lesson for law makers, it's not the swinging object's fault.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2009 20:06:18 GMT
I so agree... especially in the US... you can go into a store and buy an M16, but you can't have a nunchuk... that makes sense... or a blackjack or stuff like that (not that I am interested in both of those) but my point is, it seems as if people who are quite pissed off about being able to do nothing about firearms being legal attack everything else that can be used, or better say, misused as an instrument of murder (these a-days anyway) that won't cause the South (and a few in the North) to secede again...
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Oct 18, 2009 0:02:06 GMT
huh, I didn't know that nunchuks were commonly illegal in the US. Here in FL they're as legal as flowers, lol! ;D I guess I'm just lucky for living in one of the most lenient states in the country. -Slayer
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Post by mythosequidae on Oct 18, 2009 0:12:21 GMT
If you are into horrible details...slo mo the scene in Braveheart where he horse rides into the bedroom and uses the flail. You can actually see the man's face collapse prior to being struck by the flail. Hollywood was a bit off with their timing in slo mo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2009 21:49:18 GMT
And there are those states where the supid legislators have outlawed citizens from having pepper spray, stun guns and Tasers, so the crooks just use something more dangerous I would rather face someone armed with pepper spray, stun guns, or Tasers than knives or guns
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2009 1:15:57 GMT
Heck, I'm still trying to find out if pepper spray is even legal in KY. I can get a stun gun at the corner store but nobody carries pepper spray. And all in a state which host the only formal machine gun shoot in the US. (They bill it as clean FAMILY fun "Bring the kids, bring the guns, down to Knob Creek Gun range. If you don't have your own gun... rent one of ours.")
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2009 16:37:32 GMT
I would love to go to that machine gun shoot someday. It must be incredible when someone shows up with one of those quad 50's ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2009 10:28:28 GMT
Evidently, the laws regarding weapons in Canada are quite funny. There is nothing prohibiting a large sword, but there are laws against owning small switchblades. I guess it has to do with how flipping weapons and the jazz are related to a degenerate lifestyle, so they try to keep people who partake in such lifestyles unarmed with the weapons they would normally arm themselves with. Otherwise, I think Canada is just more concerned with guns... because they have pages and pages of legislation about which specific firearms you can have, but prohibition of other weapons is kept quite short. Brass knuckles, flails, switchblades, etc. are all banned for a reason unknown, but I assume it's because of what I said above, or because some of them can be easily concealed whereas a large sword can't really be. Don't get me wrong though, it's not like customs lets anything that is not listed on prohibited weapons through without looking at it. If you are ordering something, like a Tanto, they'll open it up and make a mess of the box. Oddly though, if you order a Katana, they won't always open it. I guess they don't have to verify what it is? Or assume it's going to a collector of some sort? I don't know ^_^. It's all a big mess really!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2009 17:23:49 GMT
In a somewhat related note, although this doesn't have to do to swords or Canadian trade law. US customs is now on my personal favorites list again. Halloween is coming up, and the little one has for about two months now been saying he wants to be a wizard, not a Harry Potter wizard, but the classic pointy hat and robe wizard. We go out to look for his costume yesterday but no wizard costume to be found, not even a flippen gandalf costume, except at one store in adult men's plus size. This was after looking at over four stores, which included a dedicated Halloween costume shop. Anyway, my wife and I come to the conclusion that we are going to have to make my son his costume. While I'm looking for wizard hat patterns I come across a link to a decisions letter by none other, than (drum roll please) US Customs. Now, how this works is that when Customs makes a decision for an item from a single manufacturer that decision then becomes a blanket ruling that applies to ALL manufacturers. We saw this in the "assisted open knife" debacle a few months back. So we have this: " Item EPF-H-23069, Wizard Hat, is constructed of knit 100% polyester fabric with a 100% knit polyester mesh lining. The black cone-shaped hat features a sewn-on star, two crescent moons, and a feather trim. The Wizard Hat has a generic motif and is not tied exclusively to any specific holiday. Therefore, it will be classified as headgear in Chapter 65... The applicable subheading for item EPF-H-23094B, Witch Hat With Hair, item EPF-H-23082, Witch Hat, item EPF-H-23076, Witch Hat, item EPF-H-23078C, Witch Hat With Tinsel, and item EPF-H-23045A, Witch Hat With Hair and Tinsel, will be 9505.90.6000, Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States (HTS), which provides for “Festive, carnival or other entertainment articles, including magic tricks and practical joke articles; parts and accessories thereof: Other: Other.” The rate of duty will be Free.
The applicable subheading for item EPF-H-23069, Wizard Hat, will be 6505.90.6090, HTS, which provides for “Hats and other headgear, knitted or crocheted, or made up from lace, felt or other textile fabricwhether or not lined or trimmed: Other: Of man-made fibers: Knitted or crocheted or made up from knitted or crocheted fabric: Not in part of braid, Other: Other: Other.” The rate of duty will be 20 cents per kilogram plus 7% ad valorem. The textile category designation is 659." www.faqs.org/rulings/rulings2005NYL86660.htmlThis means that while a witch hat is a costume and not subject to an import tariff, a wizard hat is "CLOTHING?!?!?!?!?" and subject to taxation. WTF? and we thought weapons laws were complicated?
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Post by wiwingti on Oct 23, 2009 19:21:51 GMT
they are now at a stage that they want to take as much as possible. it is the comunism patern.
(i do not want top start a political debate at all by the way)
but governments are finding ways, everyday, how to take more and more and more from our pockets.
same as(not allowed in this contry) why so guys? i have one of those answer. a collector can have them but, he have to buy a permit and he have to pay special taxes(somethinmg like that) for collectors importation.
so when prohibited it can be turned around with some money again.
i do not have all informations but i've been told that with a permit, you can have what you want(somethimng like that)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2009 19:30:51 GMT
In a somewhat related note, although this doesn't have to do to swords or Canadian trade law. US customs is now on my personal favorites list again. Halloween is coming up, and the little one has for about two months now been saying he wants to be a wizard, not a Harry Potter wizard, but the classic pointy hat and robe wizard. We go out to look for his costume yesterday but no wizard costume to be found, not even a flippen gandalf costume, except at one store in adult men's plus size. This was after looking at over four stores, which included a dedicated Halloween costume shop. Anyway, my wife and I come to the conclusion that we are going to have to make my son his costume. While I'm looking for wizard hat patterns I come across a link to a decisions letter by none other, than (drum roll please) US Customs. Now, how this works is that when Customs makes a decision for an item from a single manufacturer that decision then becomes a blanket ruling that applies to ALL manufacturers. We saw this in the "assisted open knife" debacle a few months back. So we have this: " Item EPF-H-23069, Wizard Hat, is constructed of knit 100% polyester fabric with a 100% knit polyester mesh lining. The black cone-shaped hat features a sewn-on star, two crescent moons, and a feather trim. The Wizard Hat has a generic motif and is not tied exclusively to any specific holiday. Therefore, it will be classified as headgear in Chapter 65... The applicable subheading for item EPF-H-23094B, Witch Hat With Hair, item EPF-H-23082, Witch Hat, item EPF-H-23076, Witch Hat, item EPF-H-23078C, Witch Hat With Tinsel, and item EPF-H-23045A, Witch Hat With Hair and Tinsel, will be 9505.90.6000, Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States (HTS), which provides for “Festive, carnival or other entertainment articles, including magic tricks and practical joke articles; parts and accessories thereof: Other: Other.” The rate of duty will be Free.
The applicable subheading for item EPF-H-23069, Wizard Hat, will be 6505.90.6090, HTS, which provides for “Hats and other headgear, knitted or crocheted, or made up from lace, felt or other textile fabricwhether or not lined or trimmed: Other: Of man-made fibers: Knitted or crocheted or made up from knitted or crocheted fabric: Not in part of braid, Other: Other: Other.” The rate of duty will be 20 cents per kilogram plus 7% ad valorem. The textile category designation is 659." www.faqs.org/rulings/rulings2005NYL86660.htmlThis means that while a witch hat is a costume and not subject to an import tariff, a wizard hat is "CLOTHING?!?!?!?!?" and subject to taxation. WTF? and we thought weapons laws were complicated? well, it should be considered a headdress because we see people every day walking down the street with pointy hats, even when it's not halloween... oh wait, we don't...
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Post by sicheah on Oct 23, 2009 19:36:17 GMT
Yeap, most people love politicians promising a lower tax rate, but the government needs money to pay off necessary expenditures like defense, education, healthcare etc. so they impose tax where it is most unexpected and hopefully least controversial. In developing countries where tax evasion is a huge problem, taxation on expensive imported goods (swords?) easy to impose and generate decent amount of tax revenue.
Of course in advanced countries like US, special interest groups also have influence on government's policy. By the way, US tax laws are horrendously complicated lol.
Yeah when it comes to prohibited items, permits are the way to go (whether through legal or illegal means). Getting one is time consuming and cost money, but at least you get to own some stuff you always wanted.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2009 3:14:02 GMT
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Post by wiwingti on Oct 25, 2009 17:11:25 GMT
if there wouldn'thave been nunchucks they would have maybe taken, hockewy sticks or anything else they could have reach
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2009 20:13:00 GMT
they are now at a stage that they want to take as much as possible. it is the comunism patern. (i do not want top start a political debate at all by the way) but governments are finding ways, everyday, how to take more and more and more from our pockets. same as(not allowed in this contry) why so guys? i have one of those answer. a collector can have them but, he have to buy a permit and he have to pay special taxes(somethinmg like that) for collectors importation. so when prohibited it can be turned around with some money again. i do not have all informations but i've been told that with a permit, you can have what you want(somethimng like that) Yes, you should be able to own these kind of prohibited weapons if you are registered as a museum and have the permits to show that. I have heard of this being done by gun collectors in Canada to allow them to own a prohibited firearm, so it should also work for a morning star. But, I don't know the details about what is involved to get it done. I imagine it would not be simple.
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Post by wiwingti on Oct 25, 2009 20:19:48 GMT
i will find a way to collect them man lol
i will contact them this week as soon as i have an hour(because it take so long to wait on the phone to talk to them lol.
Marc
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Post by sparky on Oct 26, 2009 0:37:33 GMT
The thing that sucks the most about silly rules and restrictions on these types of "collectibles" is it keeps people like you and me from having something we think is cool. That we wouldn't use to hurt someone. we'd just "play with em. ;D Not trying to get political, I'm just using "government" as the authority over people. The government can not protect us with laws like this, if nun chucks or morning stars are illegal why I could just pick up a baseball bat, golf club, or a stick to brain someone. Heck even my car could do the job. I think someone had the right idea before when they said license, um $$$$$ for the government. Sorry that's just my .02 cents Rob
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