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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 18:54:10 GMT
Hi Can anyone tell me if this is authentic as described in a online auction site as WW11 Japanese Katana? Something feels wrong but maybe its just me.. Thanks Bas Attachments:
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Post by sicheah on Oct 8, 2009 19:00:47 GMT
The habaki does not look right at all. Do you have more pictures of it, especially the kissaki?
By the way what online auction site does this picture come from?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 19:11:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 19:19:47 GMT
doesn't look right to me...
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Post by sicheah on Oct 8, 2009 19:20:03 GMT
Fake. The tsuka-maki is awful Here is a guide that helps might help you spot a fake nippon-to www.jssus.org/nkp/fake_japanese_swords.html Edit:here is the sword engraving from a fake nippon-to...looks similar to the one you were describing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 19:21:39 GMT
So, is this supposed to be a gunto from WW II? What's the exchange rate? I'm sure that's not $1700 USD, but what does it equate to? What's the R for, Rupees? No, that'd be Indian...
Anyway, the seller offers no provenance other than the previous owner had it for 30 years, but these days, there are techniques readily available to make a blade (or anything else) look antique and old.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 19:23:55 GMT
Yipp exactly what I thought looked very school project to me too just needed to make sure. Thanks for the advise and the link. O crap you have to be so careful now days when buying on auction sites...
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Post by sparky on Oct 8, 2009 19:24:30 GMT
I want to start off by saying that I am no EXPERT. So with that said, something doesn't look right. I've never seen that printing on a "real" blade. I wonder if it isn't a production type sword just made for the war effort.?.?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 19:27:28 GMT
The R indicates South African Rand and values to 231.95 USD. Regarding what is is your guess is as good as mine.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 19:30:27 GMT
Still too high a price for something that may or may not be 'real' in the sense that it IS from World War II, and not a modern replica piece. If it were a modern piece made to look old, then the worth would be in the sword itself- how well made is it? That's a question you couldn't answer until it was in-hand.
In short, it is too high a price to take a chance on, for me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 19:32:51 GMT
Snap!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 19:37:10 GMT
what he "thinks" is a katana... pretty much tells u it's a fake...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 19:38:23 GMT
Its 100% a POS Chinese fake.
Come on guys, we've seen these a thousand times over.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 19:45:51 GMT
Yep fake, And I never get tired of seeing your cat bite ya!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 19:46:56 GMT
I'm not sure how much variability there was to those swords but I inherited 2 that are authentic to the best of my knowledge, and there are some differences between the one in those pictures and mine. Here are some of the differences I noticed (I'm not at home so I'm drawing a little from memory here and it's been a while since I last looked closely at mine):
1. There's no etchings on the blades of either of mine. 2. The hilts of mine are entirely different, and there are three chrysanthemums (sp) on each side of the hilt with mine. I didn't see any on this sword.
Those are the two differences I can immediately call to mind. I feel that the shape of the blade is different, as well, but I'm probably imagining that.
Some similarities:
1. In the last picture it is one of the sword in the scabbard, if you look down by the guard there's a button there that needs to be pressed in order to draw the sword. It releases a clip. Otherwise you could swing it around by the end of the scabbard and the blade wouldn't budge.
That's a question I have - is that clip/button a standard feature or something unique to this type of sword...? Or is that a sign it is not authentic, or even an indication of authenticity?
2. The scabbard looks accurate, as does the hook at the end of the hilt.
This sword looks like it was used - whether by the original owner or a later one.
This is a quote from a previous post made while I was typing mine up.
Its 100% a POS Chinese fake
What is it about that sword that makes it obvious that it is fake?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 20:29:16 GMT
the handle is fake and the guy selling it is not certain it's a real sword, so it was probably not sold to him/her as such, because I am sure if it was sold to him as an authentic it would have papers with it...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 20:45:51 GMT
the handle is fake and the guy selling it is not certain it's a real sword, so it was probably not sold to him/her as such, because I am sure if it was sold to him as an authentic it would have papers with it... Yeah, but what is it about the handle that makes it fake? I mean, I see that there are differences between what mine look like and what that one is, but I don't know if that necessarily makes this a fake. Secondly, having no papers doesn't really prove anything. My swords I inherited from my dad who got them as a gift from his dad. Now I've never had them authenticated (my mom was only just willing to let them go a few months ago), but I do know that my grandfather bought them in Japan right after WWII during one of his stops there as a merchant marine. I don't have any papers of authenticity for it, and I doubt there were any as when it was purchased it wasn't an antique or thought to be a collector's item.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 21:05:33 GMT
i ain't sure how to explain it because I am not too familiar with Japanese terms, but the cloth thing wrapped around the handle looks like leather on this one, which is not accurate and the pattern on it is not right...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2009 7:43:35 GMT
Could be wrong but, does anyone else think its strange that the etching is in japanese but the numerals are of the latin descent (6157)? Seems weird. Anyway, it is my understanding that most WWII gunto are just mass produced machine made swords with little or no real value from a collecting standpoint. Also it is commonly stated that blades with etchings and japanese like flag pictures are common things seen on the fakes and such. If you want to get a WWII Gunto cheaply and need to risk a fake ( i have thought of it) try e bay. tons and tons of them at starting bids of 25usd. Watch out for the shipping though... P.S. I dont think that the common guntos from WWII would have papers as they arent nihontos.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2009 15:26:07 GMT
So they have no real value, other than esoteric? Well, that's ok- it only matters to the owner, anyways. Unless they're a collector who likes to buy and sell...
This begs the question- are these swords worth anything, even if they're authentic gunto?
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