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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2009 23:29:04 GMT
Um... I don't really know. I do know that you can get a quite plain gladius from Lundemo for around $350, but if you want an ornate, carved guard and pommel, that price will quickly jump to Albion levels. The thing about a custom job is that YOU determine the looks, stats, etc, so in a way YOU can control the price. If what you originally ask for is too expensive, just take off some details; if what you originally ask for is plain, and the quoted price is less than you have to spend, than you can afford to make the sword a bit more elaborate and such. I'm not sure about customs 'appreciating', though. They might, but I haven't been around the 'sword scene' for long enough to know. Maybe one of the more experienced guys could chime in on that one. ;D -Slayer That's my problem. My desire for historical accuracy is what is driving the price up for me. I'm not sure why - but the kris cutlery, deepeeka, hanwei and other ones in that class just aren't sitting well in my mind. I think I may have over-researched them and found out about all the flaws, heh. So I've accepted that this is going to cost me more than the hanwei tinker bastard sword I bought a few weeks ago. I just sort of realized this afternoon that my enquiries with different smiths is a whole lot like some discussions I've been involved in with artists - hence my comparison of commissioned vs print. So it's probably needs a different thread, but that's why I brought the whole thing up. Anyway, so the interesting thing is that the albion allectus looks like it will be the cheapest option, but I'm not sure I don't want to go custom now, since I'm looking at these pieces more as collection, research and display pieces that can be used instead of pieces that can be used and are collection pieces. Does that make sense? For me, the functionality aspect comes from historical accuracy, at least for now.
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Oct 7, 2009 23:35:49 GMT
Heck, the Odin could be Historically Accurate and still be a manageable price. Just send John an email saying specifically what you want, and ask for a quote. I bet that it'll be lower than you think. Odinblades@aol.com-Slayer EDIT: Link fixed
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2009 23:53:49 GMT
Heck, the Odin could be Historically Accurate and still be a manageable price. Just send John an email saying specifically what you want, and ask for a quote. I bet that it'll be lower than you think. Odinblades@aol.com-Slayer EDIT: Link fixedI'll try that out. Maybe I didn't approach it right, heh.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 8:18:01 GMT
Or, you could get an inexpensive (Gen II, Valiant, Windlass, PC, etc) and rework it yourself to make it accurate, like this: www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=16280&highlight=gladiusIt would be cheaper, unique, and you would pick up skills in doing it. Definately something worth looking into that could save you alot of money and give you exactly what you want! Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 15:30:13 GMT
I may end up going that route, my budget for the remaining year just got slashed pretty hard. I woke up this morning and there was 5" of snow on the ground. It's the first snow fall this season, so it isn't sticking on the roads, but I don't trust the way my tires look. I couldn't even see a tread on my front tires, so I think I should get them replaced before getting a new sword, and that's gonna run around 400-500 bucks for a decent set of winter tires.
Frustrating, but I'm gonna probably keep two of the old tires to build tire pells over the winter ;D.
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Oct 10, 2009 19:17:04 GMT
What about a 'best of both worlds' deal? You could get a bare blade from Odin, along with the brass/bronze spacer that protects the wooden guard, and make the wooden handle parts yourself. It wouldn't be too hard, and the stuff from Odin wouldn't cost much either... Lots of good ideas in this thread! ;D -Slayer
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 4:14:08 GMT
That actually sounds like an interesting project. Start with all the different parts you would need and then put the sword together. I think that might be the cheapest way to get a custom sword. So I'm thinking of another possible route. It takes a bit longer but might be more satisfying in the end. Spend some time doing some research and then design it myself, identifying what materials would be needed and to what specifications. Then commission professionals to make it to those specs and with those materials. I figure that, excluding the actual steel used, you could get a good historical replica. A project like that would probably make several more discussions on the topic necessary, too, as different aspects of sword design come into play.
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Oct 11, 2009 5:12:43 GMT
That would likely get you the best result, yes... but it would cost more as well. John Lundemo is an expert with all the materials involved in the making of a gladius, btw. It would be cheaper and you'd end up with a better result if you have all the parts made by one guy, rather than split the work between a few seperate makers. If you just design a 100% historically accurate Gladius, I bet that Odinblades could do it for a good price around Albion's pricerange. Then again, you could have him design it for you if you'd like to save the effort. I don't mean to sound like an Odinblade salesman, lol, but I really do think that you'd be most satisfied with something, anything, from John. I think that the best thing to do would be to email Lundemo about it. Just ask for prices on a few ideas, ask what his thoughts are on stuff... I've found that John has some brilliant insights on aspects of designs I never thought of. You could also call him, if you'd prefer to speak with him personally. Odinblades@aol.com
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2009 16:53:49 GMT
Hi guys I currently am doing research on roman military history. I noticed that some people have mentioned the Henwei gladius. The sword is not a mainz pattern in fact, it would be considered a Gladius Hispaniensis pattern used from 200 BCE to 20 BCE. This was the first type of gladii to be used. If you want an accurate mainz pattern gladius go with the depeeka mainz pattern. Deepeeka has the most accurate Roman stuff on the market and is used by many professional re-enactment groups backed by professors. If you want authentic roman armour/swords etc check out this site: www.imperiumancientarmory.com/ The site is co owned by Dr. L. Arik Greenberg (B.A., Wesleyan U.; M.A.T.S., Claremont School of Theology; M.A., Ph.D., Claremont Graduate University)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2009 1:59:08 GMT
I've heard that about Deepeeka, but also that they are heavy. I might get one as a reference piece while I do the research needed to get the specs.
I've decided to back off and take this a bit more slowly. Ideally, I'd get one made that has a greater chance of increasing in value rather than decreasing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2009 15:41:49 GMT
Forget Deebeeka if you want a functional sword. Their blades tend to be untempered and very soft. Also they're heavy and unbalanced.
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Post by YlliwCir on Oct 14, 2009 16:22:07 GMT
Agreed, Chenessfan. If you want to do reenactment Deepeeka will do. If you want a real sword get something else.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2009 16:22:58 GMT
While the tempering process has its quirks, by and far Deepeeka products are in a lot of hands- their affordability being the chief factor I would think. Maybe they've sharpened up the aesthetic aspect of their swords...I do know from personal experience that some of their earlier pieces were not much better than your run-of-the-mill wallhanger.
In fact, I have a Viking-style sword that I suspect is a Deepeeka, simply from handling it- muscle memory, you know?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2009 4:37:35 GMT
Kokoro hey my name is chris and Iwas just reading your thread , and just wanted to let you know that I could help you out with a Gladius if you are still looking . you can visit my website and see if there is anything i can do for you . Chris
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2009 4:52:48 GMT
Sorry Ric but hell no! Re-enactment swords take more punishment than just about any functional sword. Steel on steel, steel on wood etc. Deepeeka will not stand up to the stress of re-enactment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2009 16:43:44 GMT
Kokoro hey my name is chris and Iwas just reading your thread , and just wanted to let you know that I could help you out with a Gladius if you are still looking . you can visit my website and see if there is anything i can do for you . Chris Chris, I've read some good things about your swords and knives, and I really like your Kukri knife, that hummingbird self-defense knife and the achilles sword. The grip of the hummingbird knife looks like it can double-up as brass knuckles. Is that legal for keeping in your glove box? My buddy has a similar knife, only it has just one ring for the thumb. Actually, it is probably a little closer to the necktie you have. It has a little blade extension past the grip which can be used to cut. It's a ripper, though, and we're not sure if its entirely legal here in NE because of the ring. So the gladius has become a long term project for me, now. I want to do a lot of research to make sure I know the history of the weapon, the proper specs, materials, etc.... I've already got some books on order to start. Once I figure that stuff out I'll be ready to start talking to smiths and swordmakers about putting something together, but I'm not sure if I'll be at that point anytime soon.
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Post by YlliwCir on Oct 18, 2009 7:29:10 GMT
Sorry Ric but hell no! Re-enactment swords take more punishment than just about any functional sword. Steel on steel, steel on wood etc. Deepeeka will not stand up to the stress of re-enactment. If we're talking about full on sparing I'd agree. By reenactment I mean staging a battle for show. I got a couple Deepeekas that I've banged against stuff just to see if they'd break. They're kind of soft and will bend a bit but I think they'd hold up to some casual blade on blade contact. On a related note, I saw a history documentary about Ancient Rome. All the actors had Deepeekas.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2009 19:04:57 GMT
On a related note, I saw a history documentary about Ancient Rome. All the actors had Deepeekas. I'm not surprising. From what I've been able to discover Deepeeka makes the best gladius for cheapness and accuracy regarding look. I've heard they are on the heavy side and won't stand up to a steady beating... but for history channel they would work as well as anything. Were they all of the same style (i.e. mainz vs pompei)?
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Oct 18, 2009 19:36:21 GMT
Sorry Ric but hell no! Re-enactment swords take more punishment than just about any functional sword. Steel on steel, steel on wood etc. Deepeeka will not stand up to the stress of re-enactment. If we're talking about full on sparing I'd agree. By reenactment I mean staging a battle for show. I got a couple Deepeekas that I've banged against stuff just to see if they'd break. They're kind of soft and will bend a bit but I think they'd hold up to some casual blade on blade contact. On a related note, I saw a history documentary about Ancient Rome. All the actors had Deepeekas. Are you refering to the thing about Hannibal a few days ago on the history channel? I thought that those guys had deepeekas, but I don't know deepeeka products well enough to say for sure. -Slayer EDIT: Spelling
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Post by YlliwCir on Oct 18, 2009 19:52:29 GMT
On a related note, I saw a history documentary about Ancient Rome. All the actors had Deepeekas. I'm not surprising. From what I've been able to discover Deepeeka makes the best gladius for cheapness and accuracy regarding look. I've heard they are on the heavy side and won't stand up to a steady beating... but for history channel they would work as well as anything. Were they all of the same style (i.e. mainz vs pompei)? They were mostly the mainz type if I recall correctly. No, it was a while back. A series on Ancient Rome when they had kings. It's been a while, not sure even what channel it was on. I'll have to look up the one on Hannibal, any good?
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