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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2009 13:36:13 GMT
Hey so I have throwing knives I bought them earlier this summer and I havent had much chance to use them (aside from random fooling around) neways I finally set up a board for throwing them and now I was wondering how to go about doing so im wondering if gettign a book or whatever is worth it or if online tutorials like this one www.knifethrowing.info/how_to_throw_knives.htmlwill suffice thanks in advanced for any help
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2009 18:40:13 GMT
There's bound to be tons of online tutorials and youtube vids that are good. In fact, I'd start with youtube. Avery has an axe throwing thing that might be similar, but I cannot vouch for that.
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Post by Avery on Sept 21, 2009 22:08:51 GMT
Hmmm, what kind of knives are they? If you can give me the overall length of them, and the weight, I can give you a good idea where to stand to get close. Also, are you wanting to practice rotational or "no spin" throws?
Info on the knives will help a lot, but I bet we could get you sticking those in under 30 minutes. Not consistantly, but close enough to get you started.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2009 23:06:05 GMT
Their these Knives www.reliks.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=29267"s length and I do not particularly care if its spinning or not spinning throws as long as it sticks so far ive based what little practise I have done on the tutorial I posted earlier If need be i could record myself throwing and post it
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Post by Avery on Sept 21, 2009 23:13:40 GMT
Alright, give me a few minutes to get back to you.
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Post by Avery on Sept 21, 2009 23:34:38 GMT
Well, I can't find my set, but lets start with some basics. First, everything I'll tell you is based on holding the knife by the handle unless I point out something else. Ok, with a knife of an overall of 7" a single rotation is going to be about 3 to 3 1/2 paces from your' target. Not very far, but we'll address that later. What you'll wanna do to start is put your back to the target and take three paces. Then put something on the ground to mark the spot. Step to that mark with your strong leg. Try to keep your body fairly upright and rigid for this part, you can lean in later. Grip the handle with a handshake grip, basicly bending you wrist till the knife is in line with your arm. This is how you aim. As you bring your arm up, pivot at the elbow your wrist will want to straighten out. No big deal, just remember to transition back into the grip you aimed with. Now, without stepping or leaning, throw the knife. Not hard. Try to see how it hits the target. If it sticks, great, but most likely it won't. Heres the important part. If it hits and the handle is below the blade, it under rotated. If the handle is above the blade it over rotated. Think about how the blade spins in the air. If it under rotated, you're too close. Over rotated, too far back. Try to thow with the same force and same stance every time, till you get used to how the knife throws. Then you can start leaning in or stepping into the throw with some force. But watch out for those, throw them hard and it bounces, it can come right back to you.
Now, when you find mark, and want to go further back, just double the pacings and that'll get you close. If you try this tonight, let me know how it works, and if you have any questions, I'll be around.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 23:26:19 GMT
so I finally got out to do some throwing again (Im really busy a lot of the time) and it was pretty fun I had a couple good clusters of sticks but I found my consistency was really lacking the number one thing I was having trouble with was the release i found sometimes i was flickign it other times i wasnt and im not quite sure how to release properly :S also i had a hard time keeping my throwing force consistent and it was tuff making the distance right for one rotation
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Post by Avery on Sept 26, 2009 14:12:24 GMT
Well, to be honest, those arn't the best type of knives. Due to the way they're shaped, their point of impact, the tip, is annoyingly small. This means, as you've found out, your stance, distance and force ALL have to be just about perfect. So, first off, decide if flicking your wrist works for you. Some people prefer to, some don't. Whichever you prefer, train your arm to do it every time. Soon it'll be in your muscle memory. Same goes with the force. You have to find that balance between force and speed, and practice over and over again, 'till it too is in your muscle memory. Out of curiousty, what paces did you end up with? Also, if you have the extra cash and want some incredibly easy throwers, have a look at this.
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They're no beauty contest winners, but they're easier to throw than the ones your using.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 16:57:37 GMT
I got around 3.5 to 4.5 depending on the force of the throws
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 17:08:56 GMT
Those knives are crap mate, sorry to tell you. The best throw for them is non-rotational but that can be quite hard to achieve. Even knowing what I do about those particular knives and the experience I have had with knives they are some of the worse knives to try and stick consistently. They are also far too light in the hand. I found that when I started throwing the best implements were 8 pointed stars. They teach you about rotation and how to throw. I don't throw by handle or blade very often as I find the way that I was taught is much better. I started out handle throwing and blade throwing and I found that having a bit of weight and decent knives is the best option for beginners. Most of what is marketed as beginning throwing weapons are complete garbage that are gimmicky and a beginner should never buy them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 17:13:53 GMT
well that sucks lol also I would love to use stars but they are illegal in canada
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 17:15:02 GMT
I might just buy those knives avery pointed out
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 17:21:15 GMT
I would buy the knives avery pointed out, he knows what he is talking about, I am more used to bo-shuriken and star shuriken.
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Post by Avery on Sept 26, 2009 18:23:35 GMT
LOL, I tried to say in a nice way they weren't very good, I like Wraithes blunt approach better.
Yeah, if you have the cash, pick up something heavier to start with, if not the bowies I pointed out, then something similar. As Wraith said, the ones you have are geared more for a " no spin" approach, and thats just not my style of throwing. Also, if you do pick up some throwing Bowies, you might try to give this a look on technique. The video is done with axes, but if you use western style throwing Bowies, it'll still help you get started. /index.cgi?board=cutting&action=display&thread=6854
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2009 1:32:02 GMT
I'm very curious about "Non-rotational" throws. Where might I find more information on such things?
I was at a friend's house the other day and he was showing me a broken dagger he used for throwing, and his target was a wall. He tried a throw and it bounced off, when it came my turn I advised not throwing it as hard, more of a light toss to the target. My first throw was about 180 degrees wrong, but since this knife had no handle, the rat-tail tang stuck in instead ;D
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Post by Avery on Oct 5, 2009 1:47:23 GMT
Komaru, There are some videos on youtube with the no spin throw. I'd link them, but I'm too tired to at the moment. IMO, the whole " no spin" throw is misleading when it comes to knives. People who practice no spin still have to adjust their pacings for the length and weight of their knives. Anyone who says they can do a no spin throw from every pace going back to.....say 12 paces would have to prove that to me. I've never seen it done and don't believe it can be done. All that was a round a'bout way of saying be careful of the info people will tell you about a non rotational throw.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2009 3:13:27 GMT
Avery: I agree with you about non rotational throwing, though having said that there are bo-shurikens that are specifically designed to fly without rotation and the way they are designed to be thrown is different to either handle or blade throwing. The is a video on youtube of a guy demonstrating this form of throwing with all sorts of implements, I will see if I can dig it up.
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Post by Avery on Oct 6, 2009 23:23:08 GMT
Avery: I agree with you about non rotational throwing, though having said that there are bo-shurikens that are specifically designed to fly without rotation and the way they are designed to be thrown is different to either handle or blade throwing. The is a video on youtube of a guy demonstrating this form of throwing with all sorts of implements, I will see if I can dig it up. You are absolutely correct. I made sure to only refer to knives in my post because I've seen some pretty amazing stuff done with bo - shuriken. One of which was an under-handed no spinn throw from seven paces, which almost went as deep as my knife from the same pace. But, take this fella for instance. He does a " no- spin" with all sorts of different stuff. Might be the guy you were speaking of. Notice that he watches his paces very closely when throwing different length weapons. As you can see, with his method of throwing, the instruments would indeed rotate if he stood too far back, or would under-rotate if he were too close. With bo-shuriken, his style will work, but to say it works with a knife is far from accurate. It can be done, but with the cheap types of knives seen on the market today, it would be hard to become consistant when you first start.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 15:54:24 GMT
Ah, my idea of a "non-rotational" throw was indeed different : ( I had imagined something more akin to the manga/cartoon style of throwing, where the blade flies straight, as though fired from a gun. I thought I saw a knife somewhere that was designed to spin like a rifle bullet rather than rotate like an axe. Aha! Here we are: www.knifethrowing.info/flyingknife.htmlAlso of note is this dart: www.knifethrowing.info/accuflight.html
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2009 4:23:47 GMT
That guys technique need alot of work if he is going to increase his accuracy. His throwing style is almost like a baseball pitcher. I think non-rotational knife throwing is something of a myth, every throwing knife or screwdriver that I have ever thrown naturally wants to rotate, to go against that natural design is an extremely hard thing to do that often fouls your throw. The whole rotation vs non-rotation thing is also silly, you throw whichever way allows for the most accuracy and hit ratio. I am used to shuriken so I throw a certain way, not that I can't throw knives I just prefer the weight and balance of a shuriken. I find knives are often to light and learning to compensate when you have a preferred weight and balance is not really necessary. I enjoy throwing so I use what I enjoy. Cheap throwing knives are not enjoyable and are not good for beginners because you learn bad habits. The bo-shuriken I have used are specifically designed not to rotate.
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