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Post by genocideseth on Sept 2, 2009 0:03:27 GMT
Alright everyone, I am planning on learning on how to use Chinese Hook Swords. I understand that they can be dangerous and painful if not handled correctly, but to ensure proper safety, I will take precautionary measures. However, I am wondering... Can stainless steel copies be used for training? I am not intending on cutting with these, or any type of sparring, I will buy some better quality ones for that later. I am wondering because it would be a pain to have to buy one carbon steel set and unsharpen it, then buy ANOTHER if I decide I want sharps. So some training swords would be useful for me. If I am coming off as a dumbass, ignore it.  I am very tired from my morning run, lack of sleep and schooling. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2009 1:14:52 GMT
Ordinarily I wouldn't say stainless steel ones are useful for much of anything, but it would be a good idea to have a pair of training swords for a style so unusual, like with hook swords. Then, as you said, you could have dull, cheap training swords and higher-quality sharps when you're used to the motions.
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Post by genocideseth on Sept 2, 2009 2:47:32 GMT
It is my plans. Try get used to the motions and using two blades. ;D Which would you recommend?
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Post by vayduong on Sept 2, 2009 3:42:57 GMT
why don't you just get some wushu ones for starters?
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Post by genocideseth on Sept 2, 2009 4:07:01 GMT
Good idea! But where would one purchase these?
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Post by sicheah on Sept 2, 2009 4:13:43 GMT
Hi Seth, are you training under a tutor (laoshi) or training alone? If you are training under a tutor, there is a good chance (s)he can would know how to get an inexpensive hook sword. If you are training alone, there is lots of inexpensive stainless hook sword on sale. Unfortunately I know next to nothing on market for hook sword but they are usually stainless and occasionally have sharp edge (I don't quite understand why  ) They usually cost around $50-$100 a pair. Might want to start off with a decent but not too heavy stainless hook sword and get one custom made in the near future. Also there is a DH carbon steel hook sword on enlightenmentswords.com ...but bear in mind I know next to nothing on what makes a good hook sword EditTrueswords.com has a hook sword for less than $20  but have sharp edge. Might want to dull it with a file, but be very careful with it. They used to have the Xizang hook sword which looks sexier than the cheaper one but it is sold out at. Can't go wrong with trueswords reputation  |
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Post by genocideseth on Sept 2, 2009 4:32:11 GMT
I found some on Reliks for roughly 80$. Might go with those. Display yes, but they should be able to handle swinging. And I will be training alone. I am also debating between this or a Jian. Hard decision.  |
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Post by sicheah on Sept 2, 2009 4:38:57 GMT
Hi Seth, I found this at SwordnArmory: www.swordnarmory.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=LP-616BKLooks awfully similar to the one at Reliks but half the price....what gives? Edit: Just to add another point, there are lots of vendors selling cheap hook sword (below $50). To choose between them, pick a vendor that you can trust and/or has a good return customer service and return policy. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2009 17:24:30 GMT
www.extremely-sharp.com/dague-double-hook-sword-in-black.html $49.95 for a set here. and let me do some more googling.... Hmmm... $81.69 for a set and training video at Martial Arts marts www.martialartsmart.com/dvdk-cs001.html plus they ship quickly. Finally $59.49 for a Wushu set, also at Martial Arts Mart www.martialartsmart.com/45-007.htmlPersonally, I would just go with a Jian, but I have no desire to learn the 18 weapons of mastery. I'm happy with Dao, Jian, chain-whip and cane/staff. I've actually started using my cane for my weapon forms and am quite happy with the result, plus I can take the cane everywhere I go. However, a well done Tiger Hook form does look sweet.
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Post by genocideseth on Sept 5, 2009 18:38:38 GMT
Thanks guys! LPBoyle: I may go with the jian, but Someday I plan on learning how to use all the weapons I am interested in in hopes of gaining a better understanding. But the jian might be a better option as there a few decent vendors who make them. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2009 20:07:33 GMT
Thanks guys! LPBoyle: I may go with the jian, but Someday I plan on learning how to use all the weapons I am interested in in hopes of gaining a better understanding. But the jian might be a better option as there a few decent vendors who make them. No prob, do what you feel called to. personally, I think staff and short staff give the best foundation for learning other weapons, but you are probably past that point. My vote on Jians, is of course, Jin-Shi but the WJL has their CS Jian for $62.00 for a practice weapon worldjianshu.org/Store/tabid/119/Default.aspx, there's Raven Studios for Wooden training weapons www.little-raven.com/RS/MA/index.html and we have in several places in this forum discussed various "cutting quality" Jians. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the CS offerings but they have their supporters and its mainly the aesthetics of them I have issues with. I'm sure you'll find something you like. |
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Post by genocideseth on Sept 5, 2009 21:29:15 GMT
Really? That staff? Thanks for the advice! Can you give me more? ;D As I can try learn how to use a staff NOW ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2009 15:48:28 GMT
Simple pick up a 30 something inch stick and go to the Asian Martial Arts forum where I have Beijing 32 step sword form instructions posted and practice the sword form using the short staff. I know several instructors that practice that way. 33.5 is a good length from me, but you mentioned you're a bit on the tall skinny side, I think, so 40" might be a better length for you, at 36" you can start with a hardwood dowel from any hardware of lumber supply and go from there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2009 20:24:59 GMT
I agree w/ Boyle as for the jian choice, but it is just preference. If you are into the tiger swords, go for it man. I really like to watch them, just not into wanting to learn them. Also, like you have pointed out, finding real ones is tough. However, if you do get some and learn the form...WE WANT VIDEO!!!!!!!!! I cant wait... like I said, I really like to watch them performed. they are cool.
As for the jian training with sticks, I have a 36" waxwood staff (cut from 6' staff. I use it when drilling students. My brother, in particular, got better and for his safety he still uses his PC practical jian, and I use my 3'er so I dont knick him on tags (since he wanted to learn to fence faster). BTW, if you spar with the waxwood, it is very strong, but has a mild flexibility. I havent had any probleb with it cracking or splintering,even against the steel. even sharper bldes barely knick it.
I was going to send a link for the twin hook swords training vid, but it looks like LPBoylealready did that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 23:37:15 GMT
Seth, this is where I got mine, I like the longer, more graceful kind vs. the shorter, chunkier looking kind. www.allcombat.com/chhosw.htmlThese come with a nice sword bag too. Of course, they are the thin Wushu steel for practice only.  If you or anyone can find a combat ready pair here in the U.S. let me know about them.  Cheers, Mike. |
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I am very tired from my morning run, lack of sleep and schooling.
) They usually cost around $50-$100 a pair.
but have sharp edge. Might want to dull it with a file, but be very careful with it. They used to have the Xizang hook sword which looks sexier than the cheaper one but it is sold out at. Can't go wrong with trueswords reputation 
If you or anyone can find a combat ready pair here in the U.S. let me know about them. 
Cheers, Mike. 
