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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2009 18:30:40 GMT
This is one of the types of ninjitsu from Iga in Japan, the so called "home of the ninja." This is not the style of ninjitsu I was taught but it shares some similarities. I love the kama work in this particular vid, lethal and effective. There are some parts that are supposed to be humour, this is a show in Japan after all. Enjoy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2009 19:01:43 GMT
I saw an old 'documentary' on the ninja- something like the Red Iga clan or something- they showed them running over blocks of ice w/out disturbing them or sinking them at all; the 'famous' iceknife- once stabbed into the victim, the weapon would melt/disappear leaving no trace...all very cool.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2009 6:35:34 GMT
There is also a more questionable test (have only heard about it in hearsay so take it with a pinch of salt) called the bridge of swords. The ninja is expected to run across a bridge made of sword edges without killing himself. Sounds like semprinis to me but you never know, there are some crazy things in this world. Also I have heard of the ice thing but they do it with lily leaves. I think a knife made of ice in the right climate would work exceptionally well, all you'd have to do is throw it into some warm water or wherever once you had committed the act, it would give forensic scientist fits.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2009 19:37:36 GMT
Just a quick comment on the ice dagger myth: Horse pucky Having lived most of my life where winters equal frozen water and having been playing with ice as a medium from several different perspectives, I can tell you that no matter how fine an edge you get on ice it will not cut flesh enough to cause a lethal wound. Body temperature melts the edge in an instant so with a blade moving at a fair speed you might suffer an annoying scratch before the blade breaks. Or perhaps even a bruise. A thin piece of frozen water just does not have a lot of tensile strength. For example, drop a drinking glass on the floor. It breaks, and all the separations are along the molecular structure, hence as sharp as a blade can be. Try cutting yourself with a shard. Ouch! Drop an ice cube, icicle or any piece of ice on a hard surface. It breaks along the molecular structure, just as glass does. Pick up a shard. Try cutting yourself. Feels cold, doesn't it? The only possible ways to cause an immediately lethal puncture wound with an ice weapon would probably be a direct stab to the eye socket in hopes of breaking through the skull to access the brain, or an attempt to direct an upwards thrust under the jaw. Again, don't count on your weapon being very flexible should your line of thrust be less than perfect. Still, killing a person with ice would be much easier accomplished by dropping a big lump of it on them, from a noticeably higher elevation. just my .02.. -s.
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Post by Avery on Aug 30, 2009 19:50:37 GMT
All I gotta say is that is some awesome kama work!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2009 14:57:02 GMT
Just a quick comment on the ice dagger myth: Horse pucky Having lived most of my life where winters equal frozen water and having been playing with ice as a medium from several different perspectives, I can tell you that no matter how fine an edge you get on ice it will not cut flesh enough to cause a lethal wound. Body temperature melts the edge in an instant so with a blade moving at a fair speed you might suffer an annoying scratch before the blade breaks. Or perhaps even a bruise. A thin piece of frozen water just does not have a lot of tensile strength. For example, drop a drinking glass on the floor. It breaks, and all the separations are along the molecular structure, hence as sharp as a blade can be. Try cutting yourself with a shard. Ouch! Drop an ice cube, icicle or any piece of ice on a hard surface. It breaks along the molecular structure, just as glass does. Pick up a shard. Try cutting yourself. Feels cold, doesn't it? The only possible ways to cause an immediately lethal puncture wound with an ice weapon would probably be a direct stab to the eye socket in hopes of breaking through the skull to access the brain, or an attempt to direct an upwards thrust under the jaw. Again, don't count on your weapon being very flexible should your line of thrust be less than perfect. Still, killing a person with ice would be much easier accomplished by dropping a big lump of it on them, from a noticeably higher elevation. just my .02.. -s. The one they showed was cylindrical and tapered to a uniform point. In the vid, he stabbed her under the breast so he probably went right for the heart. Don't get me wrong, I'm skeptical, but I stop short of saying 'it cannot be done' because I simply don't know. And can't be bothered to try.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2009 19:14:32 GMT
The one they showed was cylindrical and tapered to a uniform point. In the vid, he stabbed her under the breast so he probably went right for the heart. Don't get me wrong, I'm skeptical, but I stop short of saying 'it cannot be done' because I simply don't know. And can't be bothered to try. EP, very interesting. I'm always up for more education. Do you know if there's site where this program could be watched online? Mind you, I'm pretty sceptical myself. Having killed and butchered plenty of animals in the 100 to 800# range, all I can tell that there's a whole lot of sinew and cartilage holding the ribs together. Keeping this in mind, it would take a mighty strong icicle to penetrate the gaps between the ribs of, say, a 150# mammal. Let alone break a rib on entry. But this is all OT of this thread. My apologies for hijacking. -s.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2009 1:29:44 GMT
Don't worry about hijacking, this is the SBG just about every thread ever written on this forum has been hijacked at one point or another and yours wasn't a pointless hijack. I don't know much about ice except ice sculpture and I have seen some of those that look wicked sharp.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 8:02:44 GMT
You could probably give yourself a nasty nick but that would be the worst. NOW the bridge of swords, that I'm thinking unless you weighed like 20 kilo's your who weight no matter how perfectly planted you would slice something. On a bridge of japanese swords anyway. Hanwei Euro's you might be alright .... zing
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 11:32:19 GMT
In a mythbusters episode, they showed that a pretty large falling icicle could penetrate a steak... couldn't find a pic of clip, however...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 21:03:53 GMT
There is a ninja museum in Iga.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 23:20:15 GMT
You know your cloak of secrecy has been breached when their erecting historically referencing architecture in your backyard about it
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