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Post by sparky on Aug 21, 2009 20:21:14 GMT
Thanks ancient, Never knew there was so much to this zombie thing. You make it seem so real........ um ..... it is made up ............... right?!? Thanks again for explaining Rob
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 20:26:54 GMT
Thanks ancient, Never knew there was so much to this zombie thing. You make it seem so real........ um ..... it is made up ............... right?!? Thanks again for explaining Rob No problem! Just so you know, a substantial portion of the population is fully prepared for this eventuality. Also, I wish hyperlinks showed up better--perhaps with underlining or something--on this board. I make extensive use of cross-references. ...given a near bottomless sword budget, a pair of Chinese ripping swords... I almost missed this reply, too. What exactly IS a "Chinese ripping sword," Monger? ancient, if any are available, they'd be through Christian Fletcher's site, www.christianfletcher.com as he is now the authorized vendor for authentic Gus Trim blades; if there's any to be had he'd have them, or know of how to get them. Aye aye.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 20:34:31 GMT
There is something like zombies in the real world: People hopped up on certain drugs have almost invulnerability for a short time, the only way to stop them quickly being a head shot with a gun, cut off their head, or run over them with a car or truck Some number of years ago, some guy hopped up on PCP charged a bunch of cops, armed only with a machete. In spite of being shot with dozens of rounds, he still managed to kill 1 cop before 1 of the cops got a shotgun and shot him in the head with it. You don't hear much about PCP anymore, but meth or coke can still turn someone into a very difficult to stop berserker.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 20:35:36 GMT
If I could have any sword I wanted, I'd go for a katana forged by one of the greatest smith's of Japan (Masamune preferably due to him being the most belligerent and mythic.) Perhaps a sword of the kodachi variety, said to be worn by nobles for close quarter fights. My impression is that L6 and W2 etc isn't really all that amazing (the general consensus seems that it's pretty overrated), and machetes aren't really my thing. If zombies are merely human flesh, then I think weapons used for centuries or millenia with great success is the best bet. If L6 is overrated it is because it is. Howard Clark, however is not. His L6 blades are king because of what he does with L6, not the material he uses. You will not find an antique katana able to take a 135 degree bend prior to failure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 20:43:37 GMT
Full tang dha if you can find one that be my chose. But is there any out their besides the Paul Chen banshee? Also the cold steel chisa katana would be a good chose to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 20:46:43 GMT
Rob...they say zombies are made up but I'd swear I've seen real ones...none that needed killing, though. Yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 20:49:30 GMT
There is something like zombies in the real world: People hopped up on certain drugs have almost invulnerability for a short time, the only way to stop them quickly being a head shot with a gun, cut off their head, or run over them with a car or truck Some number of years ago, some guy hopped up on PCP charged a bunch of cops, armed only with a machete. In spite of being shot with dozens of rounds, he still managed to kill 1 cop before 1 of the cops got a shotgun and shot him in the head with it. You don't hear much about PCP anymore, but meth or coke can still turn someone into a very difficult to stop berserker. A similar story is told regarding the development of the .45 Automatic Colt Pistol cartridge. And of course, there are the Voodoo tetrodotoxin zombies of the Caribbean, but no one is really worried about them. If L6 is overrated it is because it is. Howard Clark, however is not. His L6 blades are king because of what he does with L6, not the material he uses. You will not find an antique katana able to take a 135 degree bend prior to failure. A good example of what I mean by modern wisdom. Full tang dha if you can find one that be my chose. But is there any out their besides the Paul Chen banshee? Also the cold steel chisa katana would be a good chose to. This is a good thought. I like the blade shape. I'm not sure about the hilt design on the Banshee, though.
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Post by sicheah on Aug 21, 2009 20:52:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 20:57:08 GMT
Ancient, a Chinese ripping sword looks like a Chinese hook sword, except instead of the big, curved hook of the hook sword, the hook is much shorter, and is just one piece at the end of the blade going downward at about a 45 degree angle for a couple of inches. Unlike the hook sword, which is unable to stab with the end of the blade, the ripping sword still has a Katana-like end on the blade, albeit much wider. The ripping sword can still stab and cut with the end, plus still hook and rip off pieces of the opponent. Then, of course you still have the crescent guard and the rear point for doing damage when things turn up too close to strike at normal distance. Also, like hook swords, they are used in pairs. What's not to like? A beautiful melee weapon for shredding your way through a bunch of zombies ;D The problem? You can't even find a battle-ready pair of hook swords, never mind even being able to find anyone that has ever heard of the ripping swords. A custom job is the only way I will ever be able to posses a pair of these incredible swords I promise I will scan in a drawing I have of the swords, when I remember to find the drawing BTW, a Karma to you when I recharge for that wonderfully well written scenario I did want to ask about the absence of at least a folding shovel and a rock hammer, that would take two really difficult tasks off of the knife and allow it to stay sharp longer. In my younger days, I had 2 crazy strong friends, we packed a lot of crazy things, including a 6 foot wrecking bar, propane torches, and a couple of cans of ether (Starting fluid) on our jaunts over the mountains and into the caves ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 21:10:04 GMT
The lack of pictures. Do find us some pictures. Sword porn isn't worth much without pictures. I did want to ask about the absence of at least a folding shovel and a rock hammer, that would take two really difficult tasks off of the knife and allow it to stay sharp longer. Among the many (well hidden, thanks to the local color scheme) cross-references in my posts was a link to a list of survival gear, organized by tiers of necessity-meets-practicality (I.e., the most necessary items should also be the easiest to always have with you. The operating principle is, if you think an item should be in tier 1, you have to figure out how to fit it in tier 1, where tier 1 is the stuff you can literally fit in your pocket, glove box, on your flight vest, etc.). That list provides handy context for this discussion, in that it shows the sword as a last priority and indicates that most utility functions are already covered. BTW, a Karma to you when I recharge for that wonderfully well written scenario. I'm sorry, a what, now?
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Post by genocideseth on Aug 21, 2009 21:13:25 GMT
Ancient, a Chinese ripping sword looks like a Chinese hook sword, except instead of the big, curved hook of the hook sword, the hook is much shorter, and is just one piece at the end of the blade going downward at about a 45 degree angle for a couple of inches. Unlike the hook sword, which is unable to stab with the end of the blade, the ripping sword still has a Katana-like end on the blade, albeit much wider. The ripping sword can still stab and cut with the end, plus still hook and rip off pieces of the opponent. Then, of course you still have the crescent guard and the rear point for doing damage when things turn up too close to strike at normal distance. Also, like hook swords, they are used in pairs. What's not to like? A beautiful melee weapon for shredding your way through a bunch of zombies ;D The problem? You can't even find a battle-ready pair of hook swords, never mind even being able to find anyone that has ever heard of the ripping swords. A custom job is the only way I will ever be able to posses a pair of these incredible swords I promise I will scan in a drawing I have of the swords, when I remember to find the drawing BTW, a Karma to you when I recharge for that wonderfully well written scenario I did want to ask about the absence of at least a folding shovel and a rock hammer, that would take two really difficult tasks off of the knife and allow it to stay sharp longer. In my younger days, I had 2 crazy strong friends, we packed a lot of crazy things, including a 6 foot wrecking bar, propane torches, and a couple of cans of ether (Starting fluid) on our jaunts over the mountains and into the caves ;D Chinese Hook swords are about as useful on zombies as a machete is practical for dinner.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 21:15:17 GMT
Then again, zombies are the least likely survival scenario. What about living flesh-and-blood enemies in a real world "out of bullets" situation?
(Also, how about a hook on the back of the blade, for dramatically descending zip lines? I'm pretty sure that's been done, I just can't remember the movie.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 21:36:25 GMT
Yes, I will try to scan a drawing of the ripping swords this weekend. Seth, I guess my descriptive efforts at what makes a ripping sword so much better than a hook sword fell short I think once you can see the drawing of one, you will see how good it is ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 21:41:30 GMT
I would probably use a nicely forged European longsword, most likely an Oakshotte type XVIa, XVIIIb, or XVIIIe. These swords have a long blade, and require the use of both hands, but they are actually very versatile. The blades are suitable for cutting, and they are also excellent at thrusting. The length allows for one to kill an opponent without being touched, but the relatively stiff and tapering blade allows for one to use the half-swording technique for close quarters. The pommel can be used as a mace, and a cruciform crossguard can be sharpened (although I don't think that this was common) and used as a spike. This is an interesting thread.
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Post by sicheah on Aug 21, 2009 21:42:20 GMT
Here is the hook sword: www.enlightenmentswords.com/product/special_tiger_hook.htmlIn my opinion, a difficult weapon to use, unless someone is an expert in it. As for me, a spear, halberd or polearm or even a staff is what I use against those zombies. Don't wanna get close to them, they bite Machete is a good all rounder knife for survival in the wild. I am thinking of a khukri. With close encounter with the zombie, a good 20-25 inch chopping blade would be my last resort.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 21:45:28 GMT
How would you carry one of those around?
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Post by sicheah on Aug 21, 2009 21:48:19 GMT
How would you carry one of those around? Those hook swords? I have no idea (maybe a sword bag?). Have not seen a real one in person. I personally would not use it as a weapon since I am not trained in those martial arts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 21:55:40 GMT
As for me, a spear, halberd or polearm or even a staff is what I use against those zombies. Don't wanna get close to them, they bite Machete is a good all rounder knife for survival in the wild. I am thinking of a khukri. With close encounter with the zombie, a good 20-25 inch chopping blade would be my last resort. Everyone loves the zombies! Remember, though, zombies don't actually exist. Mean human beings, on the other hand, are all too common. Additionally, thanks for the picture of the hook swords, and also do check out the related discussion of survival knives, by the way, in this thread over here. There is some excellent banter toward the end (including my own contribution and that of herbertwest) on the uses and qualities of these tools. You may wish to add something. The length allows for one to kill an opponent without being touched, but the relatively stiff and tapering blade allows for one to use the half-swording technique for close quarters. A) Thanks for contributing, and B) tell me about this technique.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 22:01:04 GMT
I have a sword bag for my pair of hook swords. I have never seen a scabbard for combat carry, but I would just have a scabbard wide enough to swallow the hook part. Of course the swords I was proposing for this thread were ripping swords, Which are different from hook swords. I would just take the same approach with them, or do something with a scabbard with one side open, and rare-earth magnets that held the swords (One on each side) there until you turned the swords out sideways to draw them. That would also give you a very fast drawing ability
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Post by enkidu on Aug 21, 2009 22:01:09 GMT
Zombies, drug-induced raving assassins, madamaxian psychotics and all their friends i really would like to keep them away from me ! The risk of contamination is too high, try to get good medical attention in an apocalyptic world ? So if i had to fight them with a close-quarter weapon believe me i would prefer it to be longer than a kitchen knife or even a machete. Nothing under 40'' for sure. A light and sturdy bastard sword is the way to go ! When needed you can keep one hand free to use protection ( an old plank for a shield, some lightning gear, anything ) and the power of a two-handed strike to finish the job ! Something that has a good cutting power, dont stab zombies... its useless... a type XIII with a wide and solid blade like the Angus Trim triple fullers or Tinker grand espée de guerre would do fine ! I have both at home and they are waiting patiently on the wall for a zombie apocalypse ! ( which i keep telling my girlfriend is due to come sooner or later and that is the cause of my sword obsession... ). If not an head splitting axe, with a spike and hammer head would surely find its use to plow your way into unprotected crazed-up feral living things of any sort. Also this site has some wicked two handed machetes you should look at... they too know its coming... yes.. they know... : zombietools.net/blog/P8/P8/
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