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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2009 18:23:56 GMT
Did he say the ONLY sword he'd ever buy or own? Boy is he in for a rude awakening...that's like trying to eat one Lay's potato chip- you know it can't be done!
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And welcome to the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2009 18:50:04 GMT
Sorry if my statement about self defence may misled you in wrong direction,I'm actually Afrikaans speaking and not so good in English,please bear with me. I wanted to know actually the quality of the sword steel(GBS)-if in a hypothetical situation if it would have been used for defense would it break,so no in the actual I'll use my sidearm probably!
I intend to buy the sword for training purposes and the occasional cutting of tameshigiri,like I mentioned before I almost bought the Shinto elite(with no bo-hi) and then saw the GBS,so will the Green Bamboo Snake also suffice,cause it looks like a sweet katana!!! I decided to leave out the Wind and Thunder as it is a too heavy sword.
@ The Ebon Paladin,he he,lol, it must be,cause i think my wife will skin me alive with my own katana if I decide to buy another one ;-)
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 14, 2009 19:21:06 GMT
Get the GBS. It'll suit fine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2009 20:02:03 GMT
Phrozin...best of luck with that! I'm thankful, my wife likes my swords.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2009 0:47:28 GMT
Thnx again guys for all da helpfull info,I believe I will be happy with the sword,will treat it with the same respect as my firearm!!! Will let you guys know of my opinions,if they matter,lol,when it arrives(the GBS). But help me in the right direction first,am I allowed to talk of the sword here on this site as I know it generally goes for the $300 margin of katana's,excuse I'm a noob still and don't wanna offend someone,especially the mods! *runs away and hide in corner*lol If not allowed here can you direct me to the right forums,but it would be a shame though as I think all you guys are awesome and has a lot to offer me in knowledge and good honest advise! Oh on a interesting note,I just came off work @ 02:00 in da morning here and are relieved to say kevlar tactical gloves works great,guy was resisting arrest and put up a helluva fight,I know know teeth doesn't cut through kevlar gloves
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 15, 2009 1:14:14 GMT
Sounds like you had a fun night. By all means, share your impressions. The forums primary target is sub-$300USD swords, but many of us are more than open to seeing and hearing about more expensive stuff. A few of us have even shared our customs and antiques, and many more have entertained us with their Albions and so forth. I look forward to hearing your thoughts (and seeing your photos, I hope) of the sword when it gets to you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2009 1:47:37 GMT
;)Yup,it was rather awesum,thnx to perps I'll stay fit though ;D Would share my photo's of katana as soon as I get it,promise! Have a photo of a dude sliced open at his stomach with a 'Okapi' fold blade knife,knife blade approx 10cm.This is the most common,most used knife in the whole of South Africa when coming to violent crimes(cost about 10South African rand). :-/Dude the oke held his intestines in his hand,did I also mention the blade is quite dull!!Seen sum hectic stuff in my day Njoy your weekend all,I'll be busy cleaning up my streets( :'(working weekends for 4months non stop)*scratches head-what is a weekend now again ) Anyways have a safe weekend
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 15, 2009 1:50:43 GMT
Sheesh, well, be careful out there...somebody's gotta do it, eh? Okapi...I've heard of those...if memory serves I almost bought one once...but it was way more than 10 rand.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2009 12:58:29 GMT
@ Randomnobody,did you wanna buy it in SA,I took the liberty to attach a pic of two that I acquired through work They have some character already,you'll see that one was made in Germany,but I think that Germany wasn't the only manufacturer,there could have been cheap imports here For information sake,the blade was named after a buck like animal that originated in mid-Africa in the rainforest Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2009 20:57:20 GMT
I noticed some members, much to my surprise, not recommending using their swords for primary defense Not to hijack this thread(and please direct me to the proper one ), but tell me why not swords for defense? I thought my Oniyuri to be a great in-house defense sword, not too long, not too short, able to use two handed to cut an "invincible" drug crazed bad guy into two Yes, I have firearms, 12 guage shotgun, 7.62x39 assault rifle, .22 target pistol, Colt 38-40 six shooter, but firing any of those inside a small room(maybe except the .22) will likely damage my ear drums, make a big mess, a huge hole in the house, and out-of-control rounds heading in only God knows which direction. This leaves staffs, clubs, nunchaku, and chains, which in my opinion, are not any where near as effective as a sword. I also would not want to bet my life on pepper spray, stun guns, or the one shot gamble of a Taser. A flame thrower might be effective...and set the house on fire Forget throwing acid So what are we left with I am genuinely courious to hear what and why some of you would not grab a sword first to defend against an intruder.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2009 15:15:53 GMT
They don't recommend it because no matter how you slice it (pun intended) in the court system, you're going to look like a raving lunatic cutting an intruder in half. As if YOU have the problem, not the interloper.
Just shoot him...less mess, less fuss. You have greater reach with a gun as opposed to a sword, too. If he's standing behind a couch, let's say, 10-15 feet away and HE is armed, a sword will do you no good.
Just look at what happened to former NFL safety Sean Taylor...he had a machete, the burglar had a pistol. Sean is no longer with us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2009 16:49:46 GMT
Men stopped using swords for self defense when guns were invented why would I want to take many steps backwards and use a sword. The person who will break into your house will problaby have a gun, why would I want to fight him with a lessor weapon. You will be so stress out I doubt you will even hear the gun shots. Any ways I would rather risk damaging my ear drums than be dead.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2009 17:38:52 GMT
Nice hijack although I think it wouldn't be too bad as I believe the OP has decided on the GBS.
The question of why not use a sword for home/self defense has been asked more than a few times in this forum and I'm sure its been asked many times in the past. Its already been well answered on numerous occasions however I'll chime in my 2 cents worth.
A sword is a wonderful weapon. Personally I have an undying love affair with swords that cannot and will not end. However I am also a realist and know that in a modern self defense situation a sword is not ideal. As noted before a firearm has more effective range than a sword. A firearm in the modern world is also more acceptable as a self defense weapon than a sword. I'll elaborate on the two points I've just brought up.
1. Range - Well we all know how long swords are. Even the really long ones top out around 6-7 ft. You can find longer swords but are they really usable? How usable is a 6-7 ft long sword in a house? Its basically a spear at that point. Even with that kind of reach someone with a firearm standing across the room (most modern rooms are about 10-12 ft across) has the range advantage. Throw in some furniture for you to get around etc and he's got the odds on his side. At that rate you'll get shot before you get to the intruder with your sword. At best you're hoping to kill the intruder while you die from being shot. If you plan things so you CAN close on an intruder with the sword then we step into a realm of murder - which leads into the next point.
2. Legality of firearms vs. swords - In the modern society a firearm is more acceptable as a weapon of defense. Why? Well you can still retreat while firing on your attacker. If you gut shoot someone as you're ushering your family out the back door its clearly self defense. Hell if you stand in the hallway and blow someone's guts or chest out with a 12ga. then flee its still possible to classify that as self defense. On the other hand if you approach the intruder and cut him down with a sword it becomes intentional homicide. That's murder. Keep in mind that today's laws in MOST countries requires you vacate the premises or at least try to protect yourself without closing to engage. When you close on your attacker to engage with a sword you are willfully attacking the attacker. That is unacceptable in the courts nowadays. Personally I'd rather shoot someone from across the room if they continued to advance after being told to leave. Not only that but most criminals don't want to get shot and most criminals know what the sound of a shotgun being pumped is. Most criminals will turn tail and leave at that alone.
Now all that being said - the argument of noise, errant projectiles and mess in the house can be addressed.
Noise - I'd want the noise. I want my neighbors to hear the gunshots and know something is amiss. They can call the cops then while I make sure my family is safe.
Errant projectiles - that's why you practice, practice and practice more with your firearm. I prefer a shotgun for home defense as does my fiance. Both of us are proficient with one and can hit our marks with a 12ga. shotgun loaded with #4 shot from up to 25 ft away firing either from the shoulder or from the hip. Its what we practice and its what we expect to have to do if necessary. With what I load in the 12ga. I won't have to worry about over penetration as the ammo won't reach the other side of the wall with enough energy to kill or do serious injury. At 25 ft with a modified choke the pattern is only about 4-6" which means there's little chance of errant projectiles with practice. With a full choke you're looking at a 2" or so pattern - lots of little projectiles bunched into a tight group. Deadly really with little chance of errant projectiles.
Now if you're using a solid projectile like say from a pistol or a rifle then you just need to practice more. Even a .44mag loaded with hollow points will not over penetrate a human body with enough force to kill on the other side. If you use a 9mm, .40SW or .45acp you do have to worry about missing and shooting through a wall but again, practice practice and practice more. I suggest not using a rifle for home defense - especially anything 7.62x39 or larger. Its been said that a 5.56mm caliber rifle with a shorter barrel and loaded with soft-tip ammo is fantastic for home defense too however I don't know this from personal experience.
I absolutely do not recommend using .22, .25 or .32 caliber ammo for home defense. Yes they can be effective but only with effective shot placement and even then their use as home defense is questionable.
Mess in the house - I'd wager that broken vases etc are less of a concern than protecting your family and yourself. I'm also sure that if you lop someone's arm or leg off there'll be a lot of mess there too. In the end messing up your house should be your last concern.
Really all said and done - its like the old saying. Don't take a knife to a gun fight. Same goes for swords.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2009 18:06:33 GMT
Well just as 'Sam I am' said- ;D he posted while I was typing my post,he he If a sword was the only weapon available 2 u at the moment,maybe As I stated earlier it was a hypothetical question more or less.In my country the law doesn't look kindly on sword wielding folk and in the heat of a contact situation you must decide,but remember in court you will have a lifetime of explaining to do. I'm 16 yrs in law enforcement and had to stand in court quite a lot and explain. If you want a weapon for self defense it will always be a gun foremost.In the end your mind will be your greatest weapon,reason telling you this is because I've even seen fellow colleagues froze during a contact situation and they had all the tools/weapons to do the job.I choose my tonfa,if available,if the guy comes with a blade(I've done that successful in the past so far-a lot of training with it) Otherwise my trusty 9mm Beretta service pistol. The reason why our courts are specifically touchy on the subject of swords is because a schoolkid used a sword to murder fellow students at his school and trust me now they will make examples of those that use a sword if you cant prove there was any other means of defending yourself.They see it as a method of aggression on not defending here Here is some info on that case: www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2378092,00.html one with pics of the boy: censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/2008/08/slipknot-masked-pupil-kills-schoolboy.html
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2009 19:45:31 GMT
Wow, that's terrible what that kid did to those poor kids and the gardners, sounds like that Slipknot group outta get chopped After reading all of your responses, which made great since, I guess I will buy some defense rounds for my 12 guage (skeet and bird shot are probably too light) and put my Colt 38-40 on my night stand, along with my shooter's earplugs (My hearing is good enough to almost be a superpower, and I want to keep it that way ;D ) and when I hear an unexpected noise, I will grab the pistol, then the shotgun to go investigate I will leave my faithful swords in their stand and confront the boogie man with 2 guns ;D and yes, I can fire my 12 guage one-handed, it actually kicks less that way. It's also a semi-auto, and I have a laser sight on it ;D The bullets for a 38-40 are much bigger than a regular .38, so it should be a good defense round. The swords just sound so much more...romantic Thankfully, I live in Oklahoma, at least one state where the elected officials believe that citizens have a right to defend themselves against criminals ;D
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