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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 4:46:21 GMT
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Post by hotspur on Aug 10, 2009 5:22:58 GMT
I don't mean to be at all demeaning in asking this. Have you ever sharpened anything before? What supplies do you currently have?
The boxed set is nice, as it offers a platform for the stones and a container to keep everything in. I cannot vouch for the stones themselves. The simpler kit would be as adequate a set of basic stones.
My own assembly of stuff does not include a ready to use platform, uniform increments of stones, nor a designated bucket for water. Nor do I own a belt grinder, or have more power tools that could add to the mix right now (I'd rather spend on books and swords ;D).
The addition of a video and or instruction will be of great benefit to beginners. There are an ample number of tutorials on sharpening blades of all types. I know I still find new tricks for handwork after forty years of sharpening tools but am prettys et in my methodologies.
Cheers
Hotspur; I was once quite an advocate of DMT products but am moving back to more traditional/natural stones. I don't own a lot of what others find useful. That said, I'll probably buy and use more diamond stuff like DMT products
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Post by sicheah on Aug 10, 2009 5:38:41 GMT
Well...I don't think it is necessary. Might wanna learn how to sharpen the blade first before attempting to purchase these kits: video.google.com/videosearch?q=shapening+swords&emb=0&aq=f#. I am referring to second and third video. Also if you have a cheap, "experimental blade", might wanna practice sharpening on that before moving to more expensive blade.
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Post by genocideseth on Aug 10, 2009 6:02:48 GMT
I really want that second one. I can make myself a base like the first one just less pretty. And for 12$? But then again.. I could just buy my own stones. ;D But first I need a sword.... Brendan!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 6:09:33 GMT
A lot might depend on what sword you are trying to sharpen in the first place, western or eastern?
Does the sword have a secondary bevel?
Is the edge flat, hollow ground or apple seed (niku)?
There are a lot of options available, or sometimes very few, depending on the blade.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 8:42:19 GMT
My windlass Erbach has a secondary bevel but touches up nicely with my whetstone. I'm assuming if the edge of a sword was already defined i.e. wasn't blunt, then the whetstones in the OP would suffice? I definately agree with the 'practice blade' thing though. My Erbach was a good start in gaining confidence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 14:45:07 GMT
I don't know about you but I would question the quality of the stones in these kits. I have seen one good quality stone for the purpose of sharpening swords cost much more than this entire kit. I would really like to here from anyone that has used these stones and good quality stones for a comparison. But also like it has been mentioned, what swords do you want to sharpen? If you get one of these kits I would recommend PRACTICING on a sword you don't really care about first until you get used to sharpening a sword on stones. For sure you will ruin the first sword you go to sharpen on stones, it's totally different from sharpening a knife on stones especially if you don't want a secondary bevel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 15:57:59 GMT
well Ive never sharpened anything before aside from an old rusted machete (and I didnt do a great job on that, just kinda cut my finger a lot) im more so asking just for future reference when i will need to sharpen swords
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 17:25:02 GMT
If you are talking about a katana, especially one that is differentially hardened with niku, normally they don't need sharpening that often. You could use a ceramic rod to do minor touch up. I would not take a stone or anything else unless you know what you are doing, especially if the sword is expensive.
I have used an accusharp (LET THE FLAMES BEGIN!) on katana but only cheap ones for very light touch up. I know I am now branded the devil for doing so. I would not suggest this now, or on a regular basis because it does change the geometry of the edge. Personally, the few passes I used seemed to only help but I did it lightly only a few times on blades that had a decent edge.
On swords that already have a secondary bevel, I would not hesitate to use one.
I have used stones to sharpen long kitchen knives and it takes a good deal of practice to not screw it up. I would not trust my skills for using stones on a katana. A ceramic rod is fine, slow, and safer for minor edge touch up.
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Post by Dom T. on Aug 11, 2009 12:32:55 GMT
i have a sharpening set that looks like the second one you linked. www.trueswords.com/musashi-sharpening-stone-blade-honing-p-4122.htmlthe honing oil apparently spilled out some time during the shipping. dunno how to use it, really. tried it on a crappy dull knife i had laying around, but didnt really get anywhere. then again i gave up in a few minutes. not very patient. maybe i should get a accusharp! ;D so i have it laying around lookin pretty lol.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2009 13:08:02 GMT
I have used an accusharp (LET THE FLAMES BEGIN!) on katana but only cheap ones for very light touch up. I know I am now branded the devil for doing so. You would have to tell him to use that nasty device (can't even bring my self to typing it's name) to be considered the devil A 1x30 belt sander with polishing belts and a leather belt set slack works real good. Then a hand polish and hamon enhance with lemon juice followed by another polish and your sword is very, very sharp and looks good too. That too takes practice before you should be touching a sword to it or you could strike disaster, even quicker than using stones.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2009 14:56:47 GMT
Agreed. The accu thing is bad. The quality of the stones in your links are probably not very high. If you want to use stones, you really do need to learn how to use them first on a crap blade. It 'is' different than sharpening a knife, even a very big one. I have a few small stones and some ceramic rods that I have used to good effect, but it did take some very patient learning.
Maybe one of the best things you might look into is stropping. I have found that it works exceptionally well for what ever dullness comes about from everyday cutting without the need to put it to the stones. And it is relatively easy. There are a few threads, try them out.
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