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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2009 7:50:49 GMT
After deciding i'd like to own a sword, I searched through pretty much the entire Kult of Athena site until I found one I really liked for a good price. Eventually, I came across this: kultofathena.com/product~item~500050~name~Confederate+Cavalry+Officer+Saber.htmIt's listed as a Confederate Cavalry Officer sword, I don't know what it's proper name would be. Including shipping, it's going to cost me just over 200AUD. What i'm asking is this: Is this a good sword, and is this a good price for it? I probably won't be doing any cutting with it. My mum would have a heart attack. It was hard enough convincing her to let me buy it, and I haven't even gotten a definite 'yes' yet on that. I'd probably just have it on a display stand (that's something else i've gotta buy), and occasionally take it out to admire it or show it to friends.
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Post by hotspur on Aug 3, 2009 8:29:02 GMT
In appearance, this just represents some diffrent etching from the Union officer sword from Windlass. These represent the American 1850 foot officer swords, which in turn came from French patterns. There is not a historical counterpart, as far as what you should call it other than what it is. Some of the reproductions do mean to be reproductions of specific CSA swords but this one is really just a difference of marking. The difference in the guard itself is just the CS instead of a foliate and or eagle pattern seen on these.
The price looks ok for what it is. I believe KOA does price matching, so the prices there are fairly steady for most items. I notice KOA just put several pieces up in their dent and scratch section.
The most important thing is that you enjoy the sword. I hope you do and let us have some more feedback once in hand.
Cheers
Hotspur; KOA troubles my budget but they have listed a lot of bargains
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2009 10:20:28 GMT
Thanks. I'm not really going for a historically accurate piece right now. I just like the look of it, and the markings and the guard, and everything about the sword really. Like I said in my intro thread, I can't buy it until I get a job. But I hope that's coming soon. I'm gonna drop my resume at all the shops round the corner tomorrow, so hopefully one of them will hire my arse. Then it's only a matter of time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2009 13:38:40 GMT
Being in the market for a saber myself, this is actually my "reserve" sword, which I'm considering getting if the other options I'm looking into do not work out. If nothing else, the price is very attractive.
From what I hear of Windlass their swords aren't bad, and for a decent practical saber, this is about as inexpensive as they come. Anyway, if you're not going to be using it for anything but display, I don't see what you have to lose. (Unlike me, who'd be swinging it around on a daily basis.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2009 23:37:51 GMT
Based upon my experience with Windlass's 1860 saber: www.sword-buyers-guide.com/1860-cavalry-saber.html I think you'll be quite pleased with this sword. My 1860 is still going strong. Since my review, I've given it a full convex edge for better cutting ability, but other than that, it's still straight, tight and solid. In rereading my review, I believe I made a couple of historical mistakes based upon my understanding at that time, but, as far as the handling and structural integrity of the piece, the review still represents my opinion of the sword. If you aren't a stickler for historical accuracy, I still think the Windlass sabers represent an excellent value. P.S. If you ever do decide to put an edge on and cut with it, be aware that the unlined steel scabbard will chew up that edge quickly. My solution has been simply to be very careful to keep the edge from scraping against the inside of the scabbard while drawing or resheathing the blade.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 7:18:56 GMT
Thanks for the extra confirmation. Once I get my hair properly cut, i'm going to go apply for jobs (don't want their first impression to be "Hah, he looks like a girl!"). If I manage to get one, this is definitely the sword i'm buying.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 12:36:11 GMT
Krieg, I think that might end up being my first saber!
Hotspur, where do you get all your saber info? You seem particularly knowledgeable on that subject. Is there a really good book about it somewhere?
M.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 13:45:30 GMT
Michael, There are many books. There is so much variation in military sword design from country to country that no one definitive book is really possible. Is there a specific country, region or era that is of interest to you when it comes to military swords? The newest general reference that will give you a small sampling of most Western swords is Harvey Withers' Illustrated Encyclopedia of Swords and Sabers. The best book on the subject of British military swords is Brian Robson's Swords of the British Army, and a good reference on late 17th century and 18th century European and American swords is George Neumann's Swords and Blades of the American Revolution. I'll let Glen fill you in on his sources.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 13:56:41 GMT
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Post by hotspur on Aug 4, 2009 15:09:04 GMT
Krieg, I think that might end up being my first saber! Hotspur, where do you get all your saber info? You seem particularly knowledgeable on that subject. Is there a really good book about it somewhere? M. Mostly reading books and articles, as well as discussions with others. The internet is wide open for gathering what one might be interested in. Here is a brief related shared bibliography from last summer. forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=90613myArmoury and SFI both have bibliography links and reviews. SFI has a dedicated non-fiction subforum that is largely ignored but is there to browse. It really becomes a matter of getting back what one puts into it. Before many of the books I have bought in the past five years or so, I picked up a great deal doing my own legwork on the internet. My bookmarks for one folder that relates to mostly 18th to 20th century swords references totals to 205. That's just for that specific category of sword history. A mere 59 sites bookmarked for general history research portals with bookselves on several. 105 specifc genalogy bookmarks, most of them portals with yet more links. I have 70 books on my Google bookshelf. Half a dozen partly related patent sites, the lists go on. Peek in the A&M room of SFI and look at the sticky tips thread. I put up sword related Google books when they relate specifically to my hunts on swords. Have you ever read anything by Horace Greely? Look for Harold Perterson's title on American swords. It is really still a platform for any interested and I have mentioned it several times in this very subforum. Interlibrary and JSTOR for students should be wide open for any that care to. I just last night backed up more than 3 gigabytes of pretty much nothing but my own sword files and most of those simply archiving swords of interest to me (Jonanthan feeds me some treats every now and then). Total book marks at Opera? Several more hundreds than listed so far. 127 ebay sellers. 223 sword related dealer sites. 44 sword and blade related forums. We haven't really touched on other interests I study. Many of them are related to each other in one way or another. Side roads of interest. Days and days of looking at, say, Denver Colorado history and Colorado history in general. Never a dull moment. Formula One is having a vacation this month and then back to Valencia. ALMS and Grand American Road Racing. I don't follow NASCAR, Indy and CART much but there are the MOTOGP and other motorcycle races. Cheers Hotspur; My knowledge of sabres is just a drop in a very large ocean that any can choose to investigate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 18:43:38 GMT
I think you made a good first choice , and its a good looking saber. A good value for the $. I have the Windlass 1860 Lt, and heavy, very happy with both. ;D Im sure you will enjoy it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 20:58:47 GMT
I don't think I've quite lived long enough to match up to that, yet o.o I avoid going "interneting" because I know how much absolute crap there is. I'll see what I can find, though. This morning I discovered (!) that the m1840 was a 6 pound POS called Old Wristbreaker. It also apparently lacked sharpness, which is alien to me. M.
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Post by hotspur on Aug 4, 2009 23:04:02 GMT
I picked up a great deal doing my own legwork on the internet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2009 15:30:07 GMT
Wise man say: if you never look, how do you know? You make an assumption about how much you know and yet unless you look you can't actually know how much you know. Also you need to learn discernment as to what is semprini and what isn't. It's all about research the more you research the more you know what is and what isn't semprini and where to go to avoid the semprini, that simple really
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2009 15:08:24 GMT
I avoid going "interneting" because I know how much absolute crap there is. I'll see what I can find, though. This morning I discovered (!) that the m1840 was a 6 pound POS called Old Wristbreaker. It also apparently lacked sharpness, which is alien to me. Wait, what? That doesn't sound right. The Wristbreaker is supposed to be just a bit over 2 ponds, and I'm pretty sure they were as sharp as any other sword, too. I mean, if you get a Windlass repro it'll be unsharpened, but that's because of international regulations and stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2009 1:05:43 GMT
Hotspur has a period "Wristbreaker" that weighs 2.25 lbs., which sounds about right for a saber of its type. Six pounds is laughably far off the mark. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2009 16:06:51 GMT
Very good choice of saber, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2009 0:29:59 GMT
Hotspur has a period "Wristbreaker" that weighs 2.25 lbs., which sounds about right for a saber of its type. Six pounds is laughably far off the mark. ;D You know, I'm starting to wonder if there actually are any "heavy" post-Renaissance swords. I say this because I think I might have had my impression of what is heavy and what is light somewhat skewed by my 3.2 lbs DSA Squire - the only proper sword I've had for reference. Even the 1796 Light Cavalry -which most people seem to agree is one huge saber- only weighs about 2.1, which I've come to think of as light after swinging the squire around. (Interestingly, KoA lists the Cold Steel Indian Cavalry Saber as slightly heavier then the 1796. I'm not sure how that is even possible.) I don't even want to think about trying to handle a six pound sword. o.O
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2009 3:32:36 GMT
Here are the weights of a few cavalry swords from my collection (past and present):
English Basket-hilted dragoon's sword, c.1750: 2 lbs. 7 oz. British Pattern 1796 Light Cavalry Officer's Sword (pipe back variant): 1 lb. 13 oz. British Pattern 1796 Light Cavalry Officer's Sword: 1 lb. 12 oz. British Pattern 1796 Heavy Cavalry Trooper's Sword: 2 lb. 6 oz. British Pattern 1821 Light Cavalry Officer's Sword (pipe back blade): 1 lb. 12 oz.
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Post by skystone on Sept 13, 2009 4:37:03 GMT
Heck I have had a few too many Sierra Nevadas at the cafe by now but Jeb Stuart carried this particular one maybe not,,,, but I am all for convex blades that's what I like to put on my bowies... lasts and cuts.
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