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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 3:59:51 GMT
Hi guys. I was wondering if anyone has handled any original 1796 LC Swords and if so, how did they handle? Even better if someone could compare it to the Cold Steel offering  I suppose I'm curious. This is my favourite sword of all time and the Cold Steel version should be available in NZ soon. |
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Post by hotspur on Jul 14, 2009 7:31:54 GMT
Hi Chris, One thing is for sure. There was some variety of period swords. I have not spent much time with an original but overall, there is no real just comparison one can make except period swords have some pretty radical and concave distal taper, where new swords have a pretty liniear distal (if any at all). Two things about that makes a huge difference in the way pewriod swords handle. The first is the weight. I have not archived, nor bookmarked discussions on myArmoury but had put together a word document of 1796 light cavalry swords over at SFI. Those go up to about the end of 2007. Onme thread was a direct comparison to the oldr Cold Steel version directly tigether with a period sword. Rather than pick and choose, I am just going to link to this MS Word document. If you open it in a seperate window and you are online, clicking those threads will open them (but not those at the bottom labeled past forums, I lost access to those). Click For Word File Of Thread Archive From SFIYou might ping the Stromlo site owner and see if he can offer true and complete specifications for hus 1796 offering. Others have spent time grinding down the thickness of the point end and that would make a significant difference. I have posted specifications for my hussar sabre here and at myArmoury in a Military Heritage thread there. Cheers Hotspur; that should link and open in word. Open it in a seperate tab or window |
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Post by hotspur on Jul 14, 2009 7:55:05 GMT
For a reference, my hussar is in the center of this shot and weighs in at about 1lb 14oz and is lighter than a reproduction foot officer sword I have (not shown). Jonathan has a couple of variants and may be able to offer some weights of them. His beak hilt is even daintier than my hussar but maybe a smidge longer. Oh yeah, here is the Stromlo site www.stromloswords.com/email for Australian sales stromloswords@optusnet.com.au Some of my stuff from last fall. My new/old cavalry sword feels like a toy to medieval swords as well. There are pictures of that with a comparison of a French mle1854 in a thread below (monsterous).  Cheers Hotspur; Stromlo will/should ship sharps as well |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 8:14:49 GMT
Cheers Hotspur. Again, a treasure trove of information  |
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Post by stromloswordsusa on Jul 14, 2009 20:44:16 GMT
Thanks Hotspur, love your swords (I owe you some commision too ;o)
Yes I have this available with either leather or steel scabbard, there is one on ebay right now (US) for some more pictures.
Yes I can order you a factory sharpened blade (no charge) also and ship from Australia.
Weight - will have to wait till tonight.
Anything else? Oh $10 off for SBG members too.
Cheers,
Rob
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 1:15:09 GMT
I have an antique P1796 LC officer's sword, and I have handled the Cold Steel replica. On its own, the Cold Steel sword feels fine if a bit blade heavy, but overall much better than I anticipated it would feel. However, it feels nothing like the antique, which is much livelier. I'd go into more detail, but I am working on a review for another site... hmmm I heard it was different from the original but then again that doesn't come as a surprise. Cheers for the info. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2009 20:40:06 GMT
I never handeld a replica-i collect originals only. I own an officers M1796L-its very very light-730gr only and its very agile for such a huge saber. It is not as agile as most of the french sabers i own but still feels very alive. It is more blade heavy then the french counterparts-but as the blade becomes wider to the tip, that can be expected-it was a slashing weapon-designed to use the edge, not the tip. Without the french to compare it would even feel better :-)   |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2009 22:14:39 GMT
Thanks Peter. Some very nice pictures! I wouldn't mind getting an original myself. Are they relatively easy to find?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 15:39:25 GMT
chris Yes, you can find them reg. on ebay.com-some are replicas, but you can find allways some good examples at an affordable price. The usual price is $600-1000, officers sabers with gild/blueing remaining are more expensive-up to ~$5000 when you can trace the owner.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 19:06:46 GMT
Is there something about the pattern 1796 that sets it up above most other sabers? I see there's a lot of discussion about this particular model at SFI, and I often see it come up in saber conversations. Sabers like this are beyond my real of knowledge, however.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 22:58:07 GMT
Its surely not above other sabers-but it was widely used in several countrys for a long time, its easily to recognize.
It has a certain fame because it was the main weapon for the english and later german/prussian LC in the coalition wars (=napoleonic wars).
Its the prussian M1811-better known as Bluecher-Saebel-named after Gebhard Leberecht von Bluecher-the genaral field maschall of the prussian army.
72 years old, he let the prussian army over the rhine in the new years night 1814 to attack the french. Because his unrelenting will to attack, he was nicknamed "Marschall Vorwaerts" (marshall "Advance")
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 9:19:08 GMT
Perhaps it's a British thing but many of the weapons in their arsenal (throughout history) have had such "character" that these inanimate objects almost have personalities of their own. The Warbow, 1796 LC saber, the 'brown bess and the lee enfield spring to mind when I say this. I suppose that's why I find the LC Saber so interesting |
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