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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2009 5:02:17 GMT
In my very limited experience carrying a hatchet is a pain in the ass. I had to keep re-adjusting my pants because it would pull them down and that damn handle.......I always felt like it was in my way. I know of a couple of guys who carry a Gerber hatchet in their trunk. I think thats a fantastic place for it. Anyway I just carried it because I am a stupid city boy who was looking for an excuse to be all geared up for the great outdoors. You live, you learn.
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 9, 2009 6:50:25 GMT
I suppose now is the time to "come clean" (not that I've ever implied otherwise but have your field day) and admit I've not had occasion to carry anything but in a theoretical sense, I fail to see the difficulty. Were it me, I'd have a good pack of things. The hatchet would ride on one side of that pack, not my pants. Pants are a pretty silly place to carry a hatchet, especially if you don't believe in the belt's primary function or just have that peeve with things on your leg.
Of course, I suppose it all comes down to how long one plans (assuming one plans) to be "out there." With the stuff I carry daily I could probably manage lost in the woods for a day or two, lucky that my multitool of choice has a small woodsaw which I would use to separate branch from tree should I feel the need, meanwhile my assortment of knives would be sufficient for just about every other task I can currently think of, and none of them are terribly large.
However, tell me you're dropping me into the woods until you remember to come back for me, then ask what I want to take with me, a big knife or a small hatchet, I'll have the latter. A big knife "would do," but I would find it'd capabilities severely lacking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2009 7:16:45 GMT
Well I have a custom made belt that lugs a full sized handgun in it all day long every day. Its a Beltman if you are familar with his belts. I figured why not a hatchet. It looked pretty small at the time and had to be about the same weight. This was before you could carry in the park so I figured it was an even exchange in weight. I was not carrying the hatchet for defense puposes either, I just thought "cool, I can carry a hatchet".
The thing is that we were not just walking on a straight level surface. It was up and down and over rocks and so on with the damn thing always in my way. I never even used the damn thing. Like I said, dumb city boy.
Packs get so very heavy so very quick.
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 9, 2009 7:23:18 GMT
Well I have a custom made belt that lugs a full sized handgun in it all day long every day. Its a Beltman if you are familar with his belts. I figured why not a hatchet. It looked pretty small at the time and had to be about the same weight. This was before you could carry in the park. The thing is that we were not just walking on a straight level surface. It was up and down and over rocks and so on with the damn thing always in my way. I never even used the damn thing. Like I said, dumb city boy. A good pack will keep it out of the way, and on that note... This is where "pack light" comes from. Pack only what you need, and keep it under whatever weight you don't feel like you can carry. Soldiers in the field carry around 50 pounds of gear, give or take, I figure I can handle 20-30, which gives me a tent, sleeping bag, hatchet, machete, a pan or two, some fire starter, maybe a book on edible vegetation...what else do I need? Perhaps a rifle, if I plan to really go big. But a daily hike? Hell, just give me a few band-aids, I guarantee I'll find a reason to need them. Stupid thorny bushes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2009 12:55:11 GMT
Do you know it for sure? It could be EXTREMELY well tempered. Alas, that means nothing if the hardening process wasn't done right. "Well tempered" is another meaningless term, just like "battle ready", now. I wasn't originally going to bring it up, but since someone DID bring up the Windlass Qama as being an excellent shortsword for the price, I happen to OWN Master's old Qama which I received though trade. Anyone interested in seeing the state I received it in, feel free to PM me. My point: history of serious blade abuse. I told you what condition the blade was in, and supplied you with pictures. Quit sempriniing about it. sempriniEDIT***, sorry, I was out of line when I posted that last comment. The information is relevant to the topic at hand. And if you're going to be a ass-hat over it, I'll simply refer you to: /index.cgi?board=feedback&action=display&thread=4256 A real apology would involve deleting, not crossing out. Idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2009 13:00:36 GMT
The proper way to carry a hatchet, is on your pack or a secondary belt (not the one your using to hold up your pants) same with a machete which is best worn like any other short sword or long knife. 50lb (22.68 kg) is considered the maximum acceptable weight for a pack. I can hike, climb, and ride a bicycle century with one. However, I live as much outdoors as I do indoors. Having Items like a machete or hatchet belted on, takes getting used to and it will be awkward until you are used to it. The solution, get geared get out and go, you will find the method that works for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2009 14:35:31 GMT
Well I have a custom made belt that lugs a full sized handgun in it all day long every day. Its a Beltman if you are familar with his belts. I figured why not a hatchet. It looked pretty small at the time and had to be about the same weight. This was before you could carry in the park. The thing is that we were not just walking on a straight level surface. It was up and down and over rocks and so on with the damn thing always in my way. I never even used the damn thing. Like I said, dumb city boy. A good pack will keep it out of the way, and on that note... This is where "pack light" comes from. Pack only what you need, and keep it under whatever weight you don't feel like you can carry. Soldiers in the field carry around 50 pounds of gear, give or take, I figure I can handle 20-30, which gives me a tent, sleeping bag, hatchet, machete, a pan or two, some fire starter, maybe a book on edible vegetation...what else do I need? Perhaps a rifle, if I plan to really go big. But a daily hike? Hell, just give me a few band-aids, I guarantee I'll find a reason to need them. Stupid thorny bushes. I can tell you now that you don't "need" a hatchet and I can tell that a large knife works better and is more versatile than whatever your sub 1lb hatchet, but you are welcome to carry whatever you like in you imagination. Hell, sometimes I choose to haul a big can of beef stew around with me. IMO, totally worth it at the end of the day. I just wanted to explain to you that there are some knife designs that you may not have any experience with and that depending on the design a knife may be perfectly suited to chopping.
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 9, 2009 16:47:03 GMT
I can't force myself to believe that a "large knife" can be "better" at chopping wood or even generally "more versatile" than a good hatchet.
I might not have any experience with the monstrosities you might call knives, but I can say that peraps a good kukri might manage to achieve a balance. Maybe. As long as you don't lose that little knife (what was it called again?) that accompanies it.
But that thing you picture is not what I would call a knife. Nor can I say it did "better" than a hatchet would have done on that tree.
Your pot of beef stew to my keg of Guinness. We differ. Apparently this is hard for you, shame.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2009 17:00:19 GMT
I can't force myself to believe that a "large knife" can be "better" at chopping wood or even generally "more versatile" than a good hatchet. I might not have any experience with the monstrosities you might call knives, but I can say that peraps a good kukri might manage to achieve a balance. Maybe. As long as you don't lose that little knife (what was it called again?) that accompanies it. But that thing you picture is not what I would call a knife. Nor can I say it did "better" than a hatchet would have done on that tree. Your pot of beef stew to my keg of Guinness. We differ. Apparently this is hard for you, shame. Neither can I; even if this jungle knife had been well made there is no way I can see it being better in cutting down trees and branches than an axe or hatchet. Axes and hatchets are blade heavy by design, they're meant to chop things. I look at a knife as more of a cutter/stabber than a chopper...unless we're talking about small stuff, like fingers and toes or noses and ears, softer materials sure...but leave the wood cutting to the tools made specifically for that purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2009 3:18:52 GMT
I can't force myself to believe that a "large knife" can be "better" at chopping wood or even generally "more versatile" than a good hatchet. You aren't talking about a good hatchet. You are talking about a crappy hatchet. The most basic way to explain it is that the things that make axes and hatchets better choppers than knives, mass and size, are the very things that make them less appealing to pack around. The more of those factors you sacrifice, the more your hatchet becomes a novelty rather than a real tool. They can still work in a pinch, just not very well. I'm not sure how else to explain the versatility of a knife over a hatchet to you. I might not have any experience with the monstrosities you might call knives, but I can say that peraps a good kukri might manage to achieve a balance. Maybe. As long as you don't lose that little knife (what was it called again?) that accompanies it. I think they're Kardas? Sometimes they'll have two, one is a little knife and one is a sharpening steel. A khuk makes a great chopper. But that thing you picture is not what I would call a knife. Nor can I say it did "better" than a hatchet would have done on that tree. That is correct, you cannot. I can. You can call it whatever you like. It doesn't change anything. ;D Your pot of beef stew to my keg of Guinness. We differ. Apparently this is hard for you, shame. You can disagree that some knives make excellent choppers due to their design. You can disagree that they can be better, more versatile tools than small hatchets. Its not hard on me. Its hard on you. I carry a flask sometimes too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2009 3:40:31 GMT
Neither can I; even if this jungle knife had been well made there is no way I can see it being better in cutting down trees and branches than an axe or hatchet. Axes and hatchets are blade heavy by design, they're meant to chop things. I look at a knife as more of a cutter/stabber than a chopper...unless we're talking about small stuff, like fingers and toes or noses and ears, softer materials sure...but leave the wood cutting to the tools made specifically for that purpose. Well, if you closely that isn't really what anyone is saying. No one has said that the knives referenced are categorically better choppers than axes and hatchets. I said that they were better than the type of hatchet random was talking about. But you've hit on a good point. The hatchets random is talking about have been stripped of the attributes that make them good choppers. The knives that have been referenced were indeed designed with this purpose, among others, in mind. That also lends itself to random's confusion about how a tool designed for a specific purpose would be less versatile than a tool designed for more than one purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2009 7:04:20 GMT
I suggest a Khukri as an intermediary between hatchet and knife (though not a replacement for either). I've started carrying mine with me in my pack on close country training with my unit and it works wonders (I'd have it on my webbing if I could).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2009 10:53:41 GMT
Firstly just because something is cheep does not mean it has to be bad. Just look at Mora of Sweden as an example. I have several Mora knives and they are excellent, they do what they are made to do and are dirt cheep. The last one I bought cost 12 UK pounds!
This knife on the other hand claims that it is a useable knife but clearly is not. The website states that it is a “great jungle knife” “It simply begs to chop bush and vine” “useable knife”” the blade is well-tempered high carbon steel”. Sounds like that is stretching the truth a bit
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 10, 2009 15:01:59 GMT
herbertwest I'm not sure what issues you might have but let's just say that if you don't mind my disagreeing with you, you'd not be so hard-pressed to prove me wrong. YOU are the one most bothered by ME. I moved on ages ago, you keep coming back. Bear that in mind from here on. That said, sure, I was referring to cheap, not-so-great hatchets, readily accessible to most weekenders and likely the ones they'd carry if they figured they ought to carry a hatchet. I'd go a bit bigger, myself, but that's me. No knife is designed to chop wood, and if it is, it is not a knife. I won't get into what a knife is because you have your own idea and I'd hate to make you feel like, by disagreeing with you, you'd have to somehow "explain" to everybody else why I'm "wrong" in my opinions. I guess at this point we both need to just get a life, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2009 16:11:24 GMT
Alrighty then, we'll just have to disagree on this one. That knife still sounds like a shoddily produced piece of crap.
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 10, 2009 17:11:37 GMT
Yeah, the original "knife" this thread was about is total crap. Master, any word from AC? Mmm, Guinness... The foam is the best part, I say.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2009 18:13:57 GMT
Yeah, the original "knife" this thread was about is total crap. Master, any word from AC? Not yet.
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 10, 2009 20:36:47 GMT
Odd.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2009 5:30:24 GMT
Master I read the description on the web page and what you did with the blade is fall within their advertising parameter so you need to let them know about this . You need to throw " Express warranty violation ", "false advertising " word around when you contact them .If the knife can not hold up when cutting tree limps and such then they should advertise as such and state in bold letters cleary to warn consumer about potential danger of thier products . $ 20 is a lot of money to spend on knife that did not hold up to the task
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2009 6:27:49 GMT
... just because something is cheep does not mean it has to be bad. Just look at Mora of Sweden as an example ! ... Quiet true ... Not the most attractive of knives but though, extremely functional, "little bugg...s" ;D !
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