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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2009 4:54:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2009 8:58:42 GMT
The first one is the only one I like. I am rather fond of the Jian...
But..."Authorized by the Shaolin Temple"? As if they needed the permission of a group of reclusive monks? I'd like to see evidence to back up that claim. I wonder what the quality is like? However, at nearly two grand, it is way out of my league as a college student.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2009 10:58:37 GMT
Hmmm, I like the first two (the third is downright gaudy!), but they're way out of my price range! The blade of the first is apparently 'Maraging steel', which I'd never heard of... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maraging_steel It certainly sounds like an interesting sword material- "These steels are a special class of low carbon ultra-high strength steels which derive their strength not from carbon, but from precipitation of inter-metallic compounds. The principal alloying element is 15 to 25% nickel.""Maraging steel's strength and malleability in the pre-aged stage allows it to be formed into thinner rocket and missile skins, allowing more weight for payload while still possessing sufficient strength for the application." - Just in case you want to re-purpose your jian... "In the sport of fencing, blades used in competitions run under the auspices of the Fédération Internationale d'Escrime are often made with maraging steel. Maraging blades are required in foil and épée because the crack propagation in maraging steel is 10 times slower than in carbon steel. This results in less blade breakage and fewer injuries." - Sounds promising... "Maraging steel production, import, and export by certain states is closely monitored by international authorities because of their use in gas centrifuges for uranium enrichment." - Ok, now you can own a sword capable of causing an international incident! "...it is not suitable for scalpel blades, because the lack of carbon prevents it from holding a good cutting edge." - Um, so this is a $2000 sparring sword? Or is the particular alloy Hanwei is using adjusted to allow a decent edge? I guess scalpels and swords have different kinds of edge, but I still find that a bit worrying... All that aside, I do rather like the second "Wootz" sword, not that I'll ever be able to afford it.  Thanks for the heads-up Sam! Interesting offerings! Cheers Marc E |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2009 6:54:11 GMT
All of them, I don't like, not a bit. AFAIK historically, none is really exact (the Han jian might still be ok), but for such a price, I would prefer 2 or 3 battle ready Huanuo. And though Shaolin is an official trademark, I never knew taht they were/are famous for high end weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2009 7:07:47 GMT
Where can I get a battle ready Huanuo?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2009 8:40:36 GMT
The Wootz steel Han Jian might be nice, but I'll stand by Jin-Shi for a decent sword. (Garrett, I'm, still saving up to make that order  ) At the prices Hanwei wants for those pieces I could possibly even get something from Scott Rodell at Seven Stars trading or Zheng Wu knife and sword co - two suppliers that already have legendary reputations. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2009 8:43:39 GMT
Where can I get a battle ready Huanuo? That is where you get Huanuo forge weapons. Their sword oil is also supposed to be some of the absolute best out there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2009 13:45:04 GMT
Thanks for all the info guys. Its exactly what I was looking for.
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MSRP is pretty high on those swords. In actuality once they come in those swords will be available for around 2/3 msrp.
Hanwei is planning on selling these as limited runs, only 500 each I think - although that number might be either smaller or larger.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2009 18:57:27 GMT
All of them, I don't like, not a bit. AFAIK historically, none is really exact (the Han jian might still be ok), but for such a price, I would prefer 2 or 3 battle ready Huanuo. And though Shaolin is an official trademark, I never knew taht they were/are famous for high end weapons. Maybe they want to deviate from historically accurate swords? Who knows? Maybe it can be interesting if they're functional? I've seen lots of "Fantasy" western blades, but not too many from Asian Swords.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2009 20:37:04 GMT
Maybe they want to deviate from historically accurate swords? Who knows? Maybe it can be interesting if they're functional? I've seen lots of "Fantasy" western blades, but not too many from Asian Swords. Actually a line of fantasy Chinese swords could be cool. However I have a feeling the Jians would just be mistaken for western fantasy swords because of the double edged straight blade. Y'all want me to win the powerball so I can start burning out Brenno's belt sanders. ;D www.fableblades.com |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2009 23:39:42 GMT
As for getting sharp Hanwei Chinese swords...
You can forget it. They just told me they don't come with that option.
So I doubt these have been "adjusted" to be able to hold an edge.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 6:43:21 GMT
So they're gastly expensive wall hangers, then?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 7:19:39 GMT
Maybe they want to deviate from historically accurate swords? Who knows? Maybe it can be interesting if they're functional? I've seen lots of "Fantasy" western blades, but not too many from Asian Swords. Actually a line of fantasy Chinese swords could be cool. However I have a feeling the Jians would just be mistaken for western fantasy swords because of the double edged straight blade. Y'all want me to win the powerball so I can start burning out Brenno's belt sanders. ;D www.fableblades.com Haha, one of the things that I thought about when looking at a jian was the similarities between it and fencing swords or any western sword that is double edged and designed to be swift and fast. Is a jian really difficult to wield, as many people believe, or does it take a different approach? Now that I think about it, the heavier jians, such as Han-era Jians are sort of like western longswords or claymores... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 11:10:42 GMT
The Jian is considered the most difficult sword to learn, because of the emphasis on speed and handling. However it is interesting to note that in the Beijing Simplified Taijiquan tradition there is no Dao form but only a Jian form - the 32 step sword. I find this interesting as the is the shortest Jian form - yet there are supposedly only 13 basic Jian techniques ( www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/swordtech.htm ) and there supposedly 18 basic Dao techniques. ( www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/swordtech.htm ) Yet the two most basic Dao forms from Yang and Chen taijiquan are composed of 13 and 23 movements respectively. To my knowledge only Wu style taijiquan has a broadsword long form of over a hundred movements. By comparison the classical Jian forms in the Yang Taiji traditon range from 50-67 movements. (source: www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/sword55.htm) The difficulty of a weapon to master in Chinese Wushu is generally reflected in the length and number of forms that are required to be learned to be considered to have mastery of the weapon. Hence why I have used taijiquan for my examples as taiji tends to have one "master form" for each aspect of the art and mastery is determined by how well that one form can be performed unlike Shaolin type traditions where a student would be learning multiple forms for each aspect of practice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 14:49:02 GMT
So they're gastly expensive wall hangers, then? M. No, they're ghastly expensive training and dueling swords. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2009 0:09:32 GMT
The Jian is considered the most difficult sword to learn, because of the emphasis on speed and handling. However it is interesting to note that in the Beijing Simplified Taijiquan tradition there is no Dao form but only a Jian form - the 32 step sword. I find this interesting as the is the shortest Jian form - yet there are supposedly only 13 basic Jian techniques ( www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/swordtech.htm ) and there supposedly 18 basic Dao techniques. ( www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/swordtech.htm ) Yet the two most basic Dao forms from Yang and Chen taijiquan are composed of 13 and 23 movements respectively. To my knowledge only Wu style taijiquan has a broadsword long form of over a hundred movements. By comparison the classical Jian forms in the Yang Taiji traditon range from 50-67 movements. (source: www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/sword55.htm) The difficulty of a weapon to master in Chinese Wushu is generally reflected in the length and number of forms that are required to be learned to be considered to have mastery of the weapon. Hence why I have used taijiquan for my examples as taiji tends to have one "master form" for each aspect of the art and mastery is determined by how well that one form can be performed unlike Shaolin type traditions where a student would be learning multiple forms for each aspect of practice. Ah, thanks. I will use this to practice once I obtain a sword. Whoops, when I read posts about the jian's difficulty, I thought they were referring to actual usage, not by proper/traditional/institutional technique... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2009 14:42:30 GMT
Zerodao, just in case it helps - complete instructions for 32 step sword can be found here: ( www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/sword32.htm#Analysis) and a good place to find the basics about stance, grip, and some of the basic strikes is here: ( www.chinese-swords-guide.com/). The second site is from a student of Scott Rodell so most of the techniques come from him, which means that particular site is very reputable for the quality of information. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2009 1:31:03 GMT
Wait for the Hanwei Scott Rodell cutting jian.
Their current offerings in Jian are just wallhangers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2009 22:52:24 GMT
Wait for the Hanwei Scott Rodell cutting jian. Their current offerings in Jian are just wallhangers. I found this on GRTC site. Thought you'd like to see it. FOUND PIC< BUT IT IS PROTOTYPE> /index.cgi?board=chineseswords&action=display&thread=12549 |
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) At the prices Hanwei wants for those pieces I could possibly even get something from Scott Rodell at Seven Stars trading or Zheng Wu knife and sword co - two suppliers that already have legendary reputations.
