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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2009 19:46:58 GMT
after seeing wiwingtis pics of the 1095 daimyo, i took a closer look at my 1095 bushi... and then some other ppls 1095 bushis... here is/was maliks bushi class 1095 hybrid polish here is my 1095 df blade here are some pics of marcs daimyo www.wiwingtiswordsupply.com/daimyoclass1095.htmlim trying to take some better hada/grain pics... but ive got a strange feeling about this.... any thoughts?
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 25, 2009 20:01:17 GMT
Okay, I give up. What are you getting at?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2009 20:02:47 GMT
i might be barking up the wrong tree.
but mine looks a lot more like marcs than maliks.
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 25, 2009 20:09:10 GMT
I'm having a hard time looking at the first set of photos, they're quite blurry, the exposure is bad, and not a lot can really be seen... The pictures on Marc's page damn near crash my browser and will not open, and I can't make out much by the thumbnails... At any rate...I see that DF's site lists three levels of their "Daimyo" class and two of the "Bushi." I don't suppose it would be too convenient to know which ones we're looking at? Do I assume both are of the forge-folded line? Still not sure what we're looking for...and the forge-folded Daimyo really isn't a substantial step up, price-wise, from the forge-folded bushi...so I'm even more baffled now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2009 20:21:06 GMT
no no, this is the mono-unfolded-1095 blades we're looking at.
with daimyo level polish they actually show a hada.
my 1095 blade has a hada, although im struggling to photo it.
edit IF ANYONE HAS A BUSHI CLASS 1095 BLADE AND A CAMERA PICS WILL BE REWARDED WITH KARMA!!!!
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 25, 2009 20:23:24 GMT
Are you sure you're not just seeing the polishing lines? My PK has a similar effect...
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Post by Matt993f.o.d on Jun 25, 2009 20:30:59 GMT
im trying to take some better hada/grain pics... Well you won't be seeing any hada on a piece of 1095. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2009 20:35:35 GMT
im not sure at all. i may very well be barking up the wrong tree. it wouldnt be the first time from marcs pics ive got a really good look at the daimyo class 1095 i do really want to see some more ppls bushi class 1095s take a look at maliks second 2 pics, you can see the hamon, and it is very different, machine polished to be precise, which is essentially what the bushi class is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2009 20:39:29 GMT
I'm having a hard time looking at the first set of photos, they're quite blurry, the exposure is bad, and not a lot can really be seen... The pictures on Marc's page damn near crash my browser and will not open, and I can't make out much by the thumbnails... At any rate...I see that DF's site lists three levels of their "Daimyo" class and two of the "Bushi." I don't suppose it would be too convenient to know which ones we're looking at? Do I assume both are of the forge-folded line? Still not sure what we're looking for...and the forge-folded Daimyo really isn't a substantial step up, price-wise, from the forge-folded bushi...so I'm even more baffled now. If I read between the lines, the blades are listed as "1095". The forge folded blades contain 1095 steel but also 2 others. I assume that we are looking at the mono 1095. DF website says that the 1095 steel in the daimo class shows a "sand grain" texture. The FF pictures I have seen show a definite folding grain, quite coarse to my eye. Or perhaps I am missing your point altogether? And on another note, I use the Firefox browser. The pictures on Marc's website load REALLY SLOWLY, I think because the HTML code is loading the full-sized pic but reducing the display size instead of loading a re-sized thumbnail. In any case, if I click the picture for display, the code does not re-size the display window to the graphic size and therefore I can't use the frame scrolls to see the graphic as they do not display on the page. In short, unless you have a super-fast connection and a huge resolution, the pictures are not viewable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2009 20:55:00 GMT
im trying to take some better hada/grain pics... Well you won't be seeing any hada on a piece of 1095. ;D actually, on the daimyo line you can see a hada, its mad isnt it, not sure i understand it myself... art polish (grimace in pain face) wiwingtis has a hada if you can get the pics to load, it looks awesome too.
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 25, 2009 20:55:35 GMT
I'm having a hard time looking at the first set of photos, they're quite blurry, the exposure is bad, and not a lot can really be seen... The pictures on Marc's page damn near crash my browser and will not open, and I can't make out much by the thumbnails... At any rate...I see that DF's site lists three levels of their "Daimyo" class and two of the "Bushi." I don't suppose it would be too convenient to know which ones we're looking at? Do I assume both are of the forge-folded line? Still not sure what we're looking for...and the forge-folded Daimyo really isn't a substantial step up, price-wise, from the forge-folded bushi...so I'm even more baffled now. If I read between the lines, the blades are listed as "1095". The forge folded blades contain 1095 steel but also 2 others. I assume that we are looking at the mono 1095. DF website says that the 1095 steel in the daimo class shows a "sand grain" texture. The FF pictures I have seen show a definite folding grain, quite coarse to my eye. Or perhaps I am missing your point altogether? 'twas merely a misunderstanding on my part; all the talk of hada had me looking for folded models, and disregarding the simple fact that the folded models are multi-steel, whereas the specific sword in question is merely 1095. Mine is the latest WebKit build, which is somewhere between Firefox and Safari... The images will open in a new, GIANT window (that occupies the entirety of my 17" 1440x900 screen) but then everything slows to an absolute crawl. Probably something to do with my poor computer being three years old... It's certainly not my connection. "Sand grain," eh? That's a new one. Well you won't be seeing any hada on a piece of 1095. ;D actually, on the daimyo line you can see a hada, its mad isnt it, not sure i understand it myself... art polish (grimace in pain face) wiwingtis has a hada if you can get the pics to load, it looks awesome too. As to this, there's a fine line between hada and steel grain. All steel has grain, sometimes it shows (remember that one sword James Raw did, that slavia631 bought, mounted, and sold for his Sorrells? James had somehow managed to get a "hada-like" effect in the hamon on that blade, despite it being monosteel EN45. Still wasn't hada, though. ) if the blade is treated and/or polished a specific way. My best guess at this point, from what I can('t) see, is that what you're seeing as "hada" is just a slight grainy texture to the steel that stands as a byproduct of the polishing process. Again, my PK has a slight "grain" to it, but...no.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2009 20:58:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2009 21:00:47 GMT
Well you won't be seeing any hada on a piece of 1095. ;D actually, on the daimyo line you can see a hada, its mad isnt it, not sure i understand it myself... art polish (grimace in pain face) wiwingtis has a hada if you can get the pics to load, it looks awesome too. I just looked at marc's pic. That's not hada, looks more like polish lines+camera grains. nice effect though, lol. Anyways, as any other DF blade i've seen so far, it looks AMAZING. Those guys at fred chen's aren't messing around.
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 25, 2009 21:03:09 GMT
I is editified my postings.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2009 21:09:46 GMT
damn edits can get confusing lol forget i said hada. i meant to say grain forgeting about the grain, look at the hamon, and how it shows up in the above links^^^
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 25, 2009 21:26:39 GMT
Hell of a paint job on the hand-polished model...looks pretty rough...
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Post by Matt993f.o.d on Jun 25, 2009 21:42:53 GMT
James had somehow managed to get a "hada-like" effect in the hamon on that blade, despite it being monosteel EN45. Still wasn't hada, though. ) if the blade is treated and/or polished a specific way. If the blade was uniformly finished, I.e. the polish was to the same grade on the body of the blade as well as the hardened edge, then visible grain on the hamon suggests that the blade actually had ENLARGED grain on the edge portion, suggesting too high a quench temperature. If the temperature had been more sensible, you would likely not have the visible grain on the edge portion. If the grain was uniform in size in this example you would have visible grain on both the edge AND the spine. In the case of surface effects on Japanese blades, I think that Jihada refers specifically to weld seams visible on the surface of the blades and the what we are talking about here would be more appropriately referred to as Jitetsu or surface texture. Nice blade by the way, Kenpachi. I actually quite like the finish.
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 25, 2009 21:57:01 GMT
James had somehow managed to get a "hada-like" effect in the hamon on that blade, despite it being monosteel EN45. Still wasn't hada, though. ) if the blade is treated and/or polished a specific way. If the blade was uniformly finished, I.e. the polish was to the same grade on the body of the blade as well as the hardened edge, then visible grain on the hamon suggests that the blade actually had ENLARGED grain on the edge portion, suggesting too high a quench temperature. If the temperature had been more sensible, you would likely not have the visible grain on the edge portion. If the grain was uniform in size in this example you would have visible grain on both the edge AND the spine. I believe this was the final conclusion of the experiment. If memory serves, James did, in fact, use some pretty wild heating on that particular blade, but nothing that would have made it "bad," per se. Pretty much the gist of it, jitetsu sounds reasonable. Oh, right, it is a fairly nice sword. I did forget to mention that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2009 22:01:09 GMT
got some pics uploading sand grain hada eat your heart out lol *opens 2nd beer* here we go grain... hada... whatever... its there ^^^ compare the hamon with this daimyo www.swordsoftheeast.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=274or wiwingtis daimyo to the pics i just posted im no pro *opens 3rd beer* but it looks good to me i'll post that last one again
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2009 22:17:53 GMT
Yeah. I'd have to say alloy banding and steel grain structure. Either way, though, the steel is nice and bright. A good looking blade in the end.
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