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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 20:54:37 GMT
Hey, maybe I don't get something. After I use my sword I clean it carefully and then oil and put it to saya till next day. Next day I take it outside, doing dry cuts and then water bottles, this takes like 30-60min. If I wipe blade after each water bottle cut, water make little stains that can be wiped off if doing right away. If I don't wipe the blade, it is oiled and water is falling off but some still is on blade. And today I noticed that small barely visible black/brown dots appeared on blade. Is this rust? I very concern. Am I doing something wrong? I appreciate your help. Now is bad lightning, if you need I'll make photo tomorrow in the morning
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 21:01:36 GMT
2 words...Metal Glo. Photos are always welcome.
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Post by tengu76 on May 29, 2009 21:07:10 GMT
As a rule of thumb when I cut water jugs,"my sword haveing a bo-hi"when i'm done I make extra shure that every bit of moisture is gone from the blade.I do this first by wipeing the blade with a lint free cloth,then I use some rice paper on every part,then I follow up with the powder ball,then wipe it again with rice paper followed by a light cote of oil and I always put a silca packet in my bag to absorb moisture.If you still can't get the spots off the blade try some light metel glow or some 2000 grit wet sand paper. hope this info will help you:) good luck:)
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 21:27:21 GMT
I agree with TenguOTNW, it's part of my routine to thoroughly dry , inspect and oil my blade after cutting anything. Also, make sure your sword is dry before returning it to your saya( the wood of the saya will absorb water/moisture and stay wet for a long time without attention. I avoid returning the blade to the saya if i can help it, until I'm sure every bit of it has been thoroughly wiped down. So far I haven't had any problems .
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 21:30:29 GMT
for oni other countries apart from America lacks all the good stuff for katanas. There is no Metal Glo on ebay.co.uk any substitudes, as its to expensive to ship it from USA.
Ummm, yes I do all of that after the cutting, but I wanted to ask how you should protect your sword during cutting. Basically, do you wipe it after each cut or anything else?
EDIT Maybe I just worring too much. Tomorrow I will add some photos, and you will be able to say if this is a real problem.
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Post by tengu76 on May 29, 2009 22:00:32 GMT
When cutting jugs of water after every cut I fling the blade,"as mine has bo-hi"and water can run down the groove and into the tuska.Sometimes as this may sound funny I put a small amount of cotton or gauze down into the groove where the tuska meets the blade to prevent water from getting down in there.If metal glow is not availale then try some 2000 grit wet paper and start lightly as this will usually fix the problem.NOTE:Be carefull to wash out your jugs out relly good beacuse who knows what has been in there,oj,soda all witch have high acid content.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 22:45:01 GMT
So I believe the best way is to make ready the bunch of bottles, chop them quickly clean the blade. Fill more bottles if needed chop them all quickly and again clean blade properly and put back to saya. Problem of these stains I believe is that, I fill the bottle cut it, then going to fill another and water sits on the sword during this and eventually goes through oil and make stains. What do you think?
EDIT EU use different grid system, but microns is the same all over the world. I have seen only 9 microns sanding paper. Haven't seen finer one. Is this OK for final polishing?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 23:04:48 GMT
for oni other countries apart from America lacks all the good stuff for katanas. There is no Metal Glo on ebay.co.uk any substitudes, as its to expensive to ship it from USA. . No, I think f.ex. Autosol is about the same thing, or similar enough. If you have Autosol in UK. And rubbing compund is worth trying. seldom see anyone mention rubbing. But that should work for finer polishing and removal of slight oxidization.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 23:41:30 GMT
Glass cleaner and WD-40 is also a good moister displacer. After I started using metal glo I rarely have to oil my blades...the compound seems to leave a "protectant" behind. I have left my Bamboo Warrior un-oiled for weeks at a time and no rust has formed...I cut alot of water filled jugs. The level of polish on the blade will have an effect on how fast rust will occur. The more "mirrior" the polish the less it will be prone to rust.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 0:27:49 GMT
Of course. the finer the polish is, you'll have less microscopic "grooves" that tend to trap moisture and oxidize a lot faster than a smoother surface that water can't "stick" to.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 13:10:53 GMT
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Post by tengu76 on May 30, 2009 15:40:05 GMT
Yes i'v seen these befor if you take some 2000 grit wet paper they should go away.I use metal glow and it works great but if you can't get it then try the wet paper,metal glow can be gotten at trueswords.com best wishes.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 16:16:11 GMT
I use metal glow and it works great but if you can't get it then try the wet paper,metal glow can be gotten at trueswords.com best wishes. So what is wrong with the same thing just because it has another name? it does´nt have to have the same name as in the U.S, it works anyway. Sorry, but I find this a bit ridiculous. We do have metal polish both for chrome and steel etc. in Europe. And rubbing and polish for paint as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 18:13:29 GMT
I use metal glow and it works great but if you can't get it then try the wet paper,metal glow can be gotten at trueswords.com best wishes. So what is wrong with the same thing just because it has another name? it does´nt have to have the same name as in the U.S, it works anyway. Sorry, but I find this a bit ridiculous. We do have metal polish both for chrome and steel etc. in Europe. And rubbing and polish for paint as well. What's ridiculous??? Nobody said you HAVE to buy MetalGlo and MetalGlo only.
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Post by shadowhowler on May 30, 2009 19:15:31 GMT
What's ridiculous??? Nobody said you HAVE to buy MetalGlo and MetalGlo only. Exatly... any polish with the same properties will do. It's just that, when a perticular brand becomes so well know, you tend to call everything of that substance by the name of the popular brand. Take, for example, Coke a Cola. Lots of people will just refer to ANY cola as 'I'd like a coke' but they don't nessecarly mean they have to have Coke brand cola... it's just Coke is so well know as cola that a lot of people call ALL cola coke. ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 20:12:32 GMT
I've never used Metal Glo, but have used Flitz metal polish which I stand by. Maybe they are the same thing under different names. I have a Hanwei PPK that will not stop rusting even during a week in the saya and I do use a good oil on the blade (3 in 1). I soaked the inside of the saya with WD40 which only helped a little. But a 10 minute wipe down with Flitz did wonders on bringing the shine back to the blade. I use it often now.
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Post by tengu76 on May 30, 2009 20:37:37 GMT
"So what is wrong with the same thing just because it has another name? it does´nt have to have the same name as in the U.S, it works anyway. Sorry, but I find this a bit ridiculous. We do have metal polish both for chrome and steel etc. in Europe. And rubbing and polish for paint as well. " RELAX I was just stating a product that many use.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 21:05:15 GMT
So I believe the best way is to make ready the bunch of bottles, chop them quickly clean the blade. Fill more bottles if needed chop them all quickly and again clean blade properly and put back to saya. Problem of these stains I believe is that, I fill the bottle cut it, then going to fill another and water sits on the sword during this and eventually goes through oil and make stains. What do you think? Lol that ppl focused so much on fixing the rust spots that nobody really answered this question. I'd say that you should wipe the blade down every few bottles. Myself I've never really bothered to be ultra careful and no problems so far. It's just that I cut, say, 5 bottles and then I'm out of 'em so I clean the blade with ( someone's going to kill me ;D ) paper towels ( now, I'm very thorough here ) and sheathe it. Then I fill some new bottles and continue my cutting session. Generally, don't leave the blade wet for prolonged amounts of time.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 22:46:58 GMT
What's ridiculous??? Nobody said you HAVE to buy MetalGlo and MetalGlo only. Really? No, not litterally. Most gas stations have the paste metal polish that leves a corrosion resist film on after use. No need to order it from another continent. I´ve mentioned a name that are used at least in some countries in Europe. So why am I going on about this; I´ll tell you why; because sometimes after the tenth or twelwth time or so it becomes a bit irritating when people acts like they can´t read or consider certain posts like written with invisible ink, just goes on and on like noone had said anything as valid answer to questions that are obviously like a big problem. F.ex. To search all over the world after an everyday item that can be found in any country or to read a post, thats the hard choice. for oni other countries apart from America lacks all the good stuff for katanas. There is no Metal Glo on ebay.co.uk any substitudes, as its to expensive to ship it from USA. for oni other countries apart from America lacks all the good stuff for katanas. There is no Metal Glo on ebay.co.uk any substitudes, as its to expensive to ship it from USA. . No, I think f.ex. Autosol is about the same thing, or similar enough. If you have Autosol in UK. And rubbing compund is worth trying. seldom see anyone mention rubbing. But that should work for finer polishing and removal of slight oxidization. I use metal glow and it works great but if you can't get it then try the wet paper,metal glow can be gotten at trueswords.com best wishes. And so on, bla, bla, bla...
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2009 0:05:46 GMT
F.ex. To search all over the world after an everyday item that can be found in any country or to read a post, thats the hard choice. The thing is that saying "for oni other countries apart from America lacks all the good stuff for katanas. There is no Metal Glo on ebay.co.uk any substitudes, as its to expensive to ship it from USA." I am right. Maybe I'm a bit wrong, something is more expensive and something you simple can't get here. For example jewellers rouge is more expensive here and it is really hard to find finer than 9 microns sanding paper in UK and especially in my home country. What I wanted to say, I'm not after particular brand, just searching for substitutes (as I recall oni recommended to use simple belt for stropping, I was afraid I will have to buy leather hone for like 50$). Like AutoSol is good substitute and available here so I will use this one, but without you guys I wouldn't not from where to start. Oh, and thanx bytheway for answering my question, other seems to missed it in the flame of posts ;D
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