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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 3:53:42 GMT
Well ronin, if you just need to ¨draw¨ a bokken for stage combat, then make a breakaway strap using velcro. It´s not good for generally carry(velco strap +sharp sword = bad idea)...but will do the trick for stage combat. Another stage trick we use to use is to use a scabbard with left side removed (assuming right handed draw) so you could slide it to the out and draw. It works as long as the onlooker isn´t too close...or if you have scenery you can use. i like the idea with the sheath, that seems like a good idea, the first one wont work for me cuz im not using a bokken, im using a wooden blade fit to real sword fittings, real habaki tsuba tsuka seppa and all that good stuff =P its neat cuz when its sheathed it looks real lol
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 2, 2009 18:45:31 GMT
Because I was bored, just now I rigged up a very inelegant strap system featuring a necktie knotted at two points on the saya, with enough slack to throw the whole thing over one shoulder, crossing the back diagonally, similar to how one might lug a heavy bag. While that system was a bit shaky, with the sword wanting to lean and roll as per its own sense of balance and the lack of extra support, I was nevertheless able to coax it out of and then back into the saya with little difficulty. I then stuck the bottom of the saya through my belt on one side of my back, in an effort to keep the blasted thing somewhat still. This system is a bit awkward as you have effectively strapped a steel rod to your back, so bending, stooping, etc. is...well, awkward. But possible, with some adjustment. Drawing and resheathing was greatly facilitated. A lot easier than the other method. Though I do still have a hard time occasionally with actually finding that damn koiguchi, the only difficulty after that is determining the actual angle of the saya and adjusting the sword accordingly. I have about an 80% success rate with a semi-quick draw and easy re-sheathe via this rig. Sure wish I had a video camera. Also, it bugs the crap out of me that I can't remember the japanese term for a wooden blade used to support the koshirae while the steel blade is not present or in shirasaya... One source says tsunagi but something tells me that's not the word I'm thinking of... Anyway, Ronin's rig reminded me of that. A neat idea for costume, but not for contact sparring...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2009 2:45:17 GMT
Pull down on the saya and pull out on the sword. That's what choson ninja does in his video...however that does not work if the sword is actually strapped to your back. It works if you have break away strap (a very BAD idea with sharp swords...but something that I have used for stage combat)...or if your holding the scabbard to your back like he is in the video. Although the scabbard modification is a rather perment workaround, it is generally the best for serious stage combat. The scabbard even gets to stay on your back. Random, well glad to see your having some fun with this . But remember, it just maybe that your special . I have done enough stage combat to realize that people who can draw 28+ inches from their back is an oddity (and I'm one such person...with a 25 inch arm that can draw 34 inches of steel hehe). Welcome to your special mutant powers .
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 5, 2009 3:11:54 GMT
them nice folks at the skool hall allus tol' me I were speshul But seriously, do people not have shoulders? Or do mine just rotate too much? I always have been able to scratch my own back, too... I used to amuse people by challening them to place their finger in a spot on my back that I would not be able to twist it, they never could. I'm a freak.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2009 7:39:15 GMT
Just did this.
No, it's not easy, convenient, or good for the saya, but it's possible. The blade is 28.5 inches, I am about 5'8'', my arm is about 28" from the end of my collarbone to the tip of my middle finger. The opening of the saya needs to hang below the shoulder. A little pull from the end of the saya with the other hand helps.
Random, I can touch every part of my back as well. However, I have a friend who can clasp his hands behind his back and rotate them to his front without letting go. He actually rolls his arms forward like you normally would within that small margin of mobility. It's pretty gross looking.
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 7, 2009 14:01:54 GMT
I haven't attempted that in a number of years and wouldn't dare with the current condition of my shoulders (not as young as they used to be) but I've known several who could do the same. I imagine they could draw from their back pretty easily.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2009 16:12:53 GMT
I’ve tried it with a European sword, it’s physically possible, but hardly practical. It was slow and awkward to draw and impossible to put back in the scabbard. The only reason I can see for wearing a sword like this is for carrying across difficult terrain.
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 7, 2009 16:13:59 GMT
I wouldn't even advise it then.
It's just better to keep it at your hip.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 4:01:47 GMT
What about shorter swords is it practical then ? I know for one it does not work with my Ninjato (22" blade) I was also curious about the scene in Wolverine featuring Deadpool(wade wilson)(played by ryan reynolds) where he owns people with katanas and theres 2 of them the first time i totally was under the impression they were katana then thought about it and was like no they were ninjato but I looked at pictures and they were either straight ninjato with round tsubas (unusual combo) or wakazashi would it be practical to draw wakisashi from the back ? or Dual weild wakazashi for that matter ?!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 23:59:05 GMT
the only way i can see this being any good at all is in a ninja film...
*idea*
lol i'll get back to you on this one
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 5:24:57 GMT
i find that if i turn the saya so that the curve kinda wraps around my back, i can draw with little effort and a decent amount of safety for while drawing over my shoulder the unsharpened side of the blade is what is against my back (not that it touches my back but if it did, the sharp edge would be away from me)... granted, i cant resheath it but who really needs to put their sword away that quickly? its the draw that counts
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 6:00:00 GMT
i find that if i turn the saya so that the curve kinda wraps around my back, i can draw with little effort and a decent amount of safety for while drawing over my shoulder the unsharpened side of the blade is what is against my back (not that it touches my back but if it did, the sharp edge would be away from me)... granted, i cant resheath it but who really needs to put their sword away that quickly? its the draw that counts of course anything is possible, but I think it comes down to how practical is it? when drawing a sword from your side at least your arms are kept close and your gut is protected. and you can easily re-sheath the sword. when drawing from the back your arm is raised and could leave you exposed and what if your indoors? And if its strapped to your back either A: you'll look stupid trying to re-sheath the sword or B: have to take it off your back. either way its a pain right? just my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 7:00:21 GMT
Hiroshi, some good points there. Also, let's not forget wrestling - an important aspect of both Japanese and European fighting traditions. Probably a little more difficult to roll with a saya on your back, not so great for you or the saya Hairu... those Wade Wilson swords had the worst tsukamaki and garish tsuba iirc... probably just dodgy knockups for the film rather than being anything traditional. Check out this pic, though, the saya is missing a section for easy draw! The habaki doesn't look right either, too thin/shiny. Larger pic: images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4700000/Wade-Wilson-Deadpool-x-men-origins-wolverine-4782040-1280-853.jpg
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Post by randomnobody on Sept 25, 2009 7:00:29 GMT
Because I was bored, just now I rigged up a very inelegant strap system featuring a necktie knotted at two points on the saya, with enough slack to throw the whole thing over one shoulder, crossing the back diagonally, similar to how one might lug a heavy bag. While that system was a bit shaky, with the sword wanting to lean and roll as per its own sense of balance and the lack of extra support, I was nevertheless able to coax it out of and then back into the saya with little difficulty. I then stuck the bottom of the saya through my belt on one side of my back, in an effort to keep the blasted thing somewhat still. This system is a bit awkward as you have effectively strapped a steel rod to your back, so bending, stooping, etc. is...well, awkward. But possible, with some adjustment. Drawing and resheathing was greatly facilitated. A lot easier than the other method. Though I do still have a hard time occasionally with actually finding that damn koiguchi, the only difficulty after that is determining the actual angle of the saya and adjusting the sword accordingly. I have about an 80% success rate with a semi-quick draw and easy re-sheathe via this rig. Sure wish I had a video camera. It's Really Not That Hard .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 12:57:23 GMT
Hiroshi, some good points there. Also, let's not forget wrestling When I seen this, at first I was thinking you where going to break into a rant about how drawling from you back was like WWE wrestling ;D I was thinking "Ya, that's right. They are both only good for show and neither one is practical at all, just entertaining" No offense to anyone who still thinks WWE is for real It made me snicker and then I read the rest of your post. Good points and still says that it's not such a good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 15:23:24 GMT
And while it is possible it is tacticaly unsound for you lose the advantage of a draw guard/cut technique, both of which are prevalent in both eastern and western martial arts
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Post by randomnobody on Sept 26, 2009 3:08:16 GMT
You don't lose it, you just use a different one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 3:19:29 GMT
you could... but from the hip is easier, even if only by a little... still, it does look pretty badass unsheathing from the back and honestly, who doesnt want to look cool with a sword?
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Post by randomnobody on Sept 26, 2009 4:54:33 GMT
Somebody who knows how to use one. Really this whole thread has been in major decline since before its sudden resurrection. I'd kind of like to see it fall into the abyss again, but since that won't happen, the least I can do is troll it like the rest of you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 5:15:55 GMT
No, it is you who are in decline, old man!
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