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Post by tengu76 on May 26, 2009 22:41:53 GMT
Just a intresting topic that came up in class so I thought i'd see where you all stand.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2009 22:56:59 GMT
if i had to pick one, id pick a kaze-ko and shorten the tsuka to 5-6" myself.... somehow....
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2009 23:05:08 GMT
Ko katana. More selection, even within cheness. Other than the so-called surprise advantage (personally I'd be extra cautious with anything with that length of tsuka), I don't see any reason to use the extra wood, and therefor weight.
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Post by ecovolo on May 26, 2009 23:06:28 GMT
Oniyuri. I did a review of it here on the forums; check it out when you have the time.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2009 14:31:10 GMT
IMHO having a weapon that replaces blade length with tsuka length seems kind of pointless. I mean I get the whole about having a shorter blade in a full length saya to full someone, and have a faster draw. But with that huge tsuka you're still going to slow yourself down, and why do you need all that leverage on a short blade? If you look at it, the whole thing is about the length of a standard katata, but the tsuka is more of the over all weapon than usual. Just don't get it. But that's me.
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Post by tengu76 on May 27, 2009 14:41:43 GMT
I like the Ko-Katana myself,I understand the fulling someone thing and I can even see the use in the tuska being longer,but my problem lyes in the saya being full length.I'd love the sword if it had a shorter saya,but on the other hand I have seen the use of the longer saya being used to hide blinding powder and used as a breathing tube. I voted Ko-Katana But with that said i'd love to see the Bujinkan Katana reworked.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2009 14:46:34 GMT
Jonis ( menukisan) owns an oniyuri and claimed that due to his body-type/build and style of cutting, it was perfect for him as a cutter. I guess it all depends on what you like.
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Post by genocideseth on May 28, 2009 8:15:25 GMT
Oniyuri for me. It seems like an interesting weapon.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2009 8:45:03 GMT
You obviously haven't trained in ninjitsu if you are of this opinion. Why are you going to slow yourself down? The long tsuka has the same mechanics in the draw as a shorter tsuka so this is a non issue. The longer tsuka is designed to aid with locking and throwing techniques that are not possible with a shorter tsuka. Also the leverage on the short blade is that ninjitsu teaches different types of blocks and disarms, the disarms especially require a great deal of leverage.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2009 12:26:31 GMT
I'd have to go with a Ko. I like the styling better and there are more options than with the Oniyuri.
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Post by tengu76 on May 28, 2009 12:36:07 GMT
I have to agree with bloodwraith on this one, "we have talk,studied,and have had hands on with the use of a longer tuska"and its many uses in the ninjitsu arts.But with that said I have a better design in mind for a ninjitsu sword.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2009 16:19:50 GMT
[/img] You obviously haven't trained in ninjitsu if you are of this opinion. Why are you going to slow yourself down? The long tsuka has the same mechanics in the draw as a shorter tsuka so this is a non issue. The longer tsuka is designed to aid with locking and throwing techniques that are not possible with a shorter tsuka. Also the leverage on the short blade is that ninjitsu teaches different types of blocks and disarms, the disarms especially require a great deal of leverage.[/quote] Sure on the draw the speed is the same, but you draw with one hand. I can also see the leverage used for lockups, throwdowns etc and I do not study an art with any of that. But when you are doing standard 2 handed cuts, having your further apart does slow the movements down, it's just biomechanics and physics.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2009 17:11:28 GMT
From what I've read from an interesting Bugei article, people with experience with longer tsukas don't find them limiting at all for drawing, and samurai, even those of small size, often used rather long tsukas. On a somwhat related topic, anyone know if the "Togakure ryu" katana of Kensei are of the long tsuka/ko blade type or something else? Anyone got any info about them beyond what sword-saint.com provides?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2009 17:46:09 GMT
Sorry, I am going to have to disagree again. When you have spent as many years as I have learning to use weapons that require a wide two handed grip you begin to prefer it. Not only do you begin to prefer it you start to adapt. Having spent so long with long tsukas and two handed weapons I find the "standard" length tsuka to be too cramped. Also when you have long skinny arms the leverage on the shorter length tsuka is not enough to cut as effectively. Last thing when you don't have the strength to handle a standard katana the oniyuri gives you the leverage you need.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 18:00:11 GMT
NP Bloodwraith, but you really didn't disagree with me on the point you quoted, you just stated your personal preference. Which is 100% fine. Adapting and prefering one thing, is not the same thing as how the physics of that thing work. A B X Y If A and X are the left hand, and B and Y are the right hand: Applying the same amount of force B will get to the end of the swing before Y will. This is because A and X are kind of the fulcrum of our swing, as our arms move the sword around in a circular type motion. You definately get more leverage with your hand spread out more, no doubt about that, and that can give more power as well. At least this is how I perceive it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 5:01:46 GMT
i just plain like the ko better;
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