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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2008 6:48:38 GMT
WWII Japanese Officer's Shin-GuntoSomething which I chanced upon & picked up from the Ebay recently; this is not a brand new piece but was sold as 'antiques', therefore it comes with blemishes indicating traces of wear & tear. * 'Folded' carbon steel blade ('Folded' according to the Ebay seller); * Partial bo-hi on each side of blade which stopped 6" before tip; * Wood tsuka with cotton tsukaito & same, * Single mekugi peg; * Brass / brass-plated pommel, knot-loop, ferrule, seppa, guard, scabbard throat, suspension mount, 'semegane' & chape; * Bronze habaki; * Iron scabbard with wooden core; * Blade is sharp but not razor sharp. * Overall Length (with scabbard): 41" * Blade Length: 28 1/4" * Hilt Length: 11" * Weight (with scabbard): 1.7Kg * POB: abt 6 1/4" from Guard Sword inside scabbard: Sword beside scabbard: Closeup of the hilt wrap, pommel & the sword knot loop: Closeup of Scabbard Chape & 'Semegane': Different shots at the guard, habaki & the push button catch: Blade 'forte' & bo-hi: Blade 'foible'. Notice the bo-hi terminates just about 6" from tip: Closeup of the blade hada (& some rust spots ): That's all, folks. Thanks for looking. Edit: My next purchase - WWII NCO's Shin-gunto
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Post by 293master293 on May 3, 2008 7:13:57 GMT
Is that a machine made blade?
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Post by kidcasanova on May 3, 2008 7:23:23 GMT
I quite like that piece. Very attractive, especially the picture of it in the scabbard.
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Post by slav on May 3, 2008 8:02:05 GMT
I hope you don't think that this piece is an antique?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2008 12:46:30 GMT
Is that a machine made blade? Genuine shin-gunto should be machine made (only the kyu-gunto used 'recycled hand-forged blade on modern fittings). But the eBay seller indicate this to be 'hand forged folded' though I'm not too sure of this claim judging from the blade itself
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2008 12:49:09 GMT
I hope you don't think that this piece is an antique? Real antique would have cost me a bomb As for this, I take the claim with a pinch of salt ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2008 18:39:15 GMT
personally it looks nice to me and it at least LOOKS folded how sharp is it and how much $$$ did you spend overall
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2008 19:06:17 GMT
Hmmm i'm not too good at this, but to me it looks like either well done fake ( folds look kind of strange to me, it's not really something i've seen on real deal stuff ) or a modern reproduction that's nice and functional. Probably a kissaki pic would help me decide. On the last pic, maybe it's just me, but it looks like there's some kind of lamination there? Mind you, i'm far from knowledgeable here, so it's quite possible i'm totally wrong. Still, it just doesn't look like anything antique to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 1:05:27 GMT
The folds are too garish to be a genuine japanese sword, from what I have seen. The fuller termination doesn't look correct to me either. From what I can tell the kissaki actually looks ok...? The tsuka to blade proportion looks out of whack too, the tsuka is too long for most nihonto pics I've seen... typically a ratio of 1:3 is about right isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 8:57:29 GMT
Yes it is a fake. Typical chinese pattern welded or damascus blade,. There is a serial number on the habaki which would be on the blade and scabbard if it were real. Nothing wrong with these fakes as far as they go, as long as you didn't pay any more than $100 or so and are aware of what you are buying, ie a decorative representation of a WWII sword.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 11:49:11 GMT
I neither believe it's folded blade nor an authentic shin-gunto also I just needed a 'modern' cousin to compliment the collections of katana I'm already having. It's gonna sits pretty on the wall rack, so I'm cool with it. I paid 136USD for this piece, plus another 65USD for shipping. The other closest & affordable replica I came across was at least 100 bucks more, & still a replicas. So I bought this for fun It's sharp compared to Windlass' blades, but not razor sharp. Judging from the make, I don't think I'll attempt to cut anything with it
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 11:51:59 GMT
hey, just curious, have anyone come across any Japanese Officer's shin-gunto in this green color - be it in person or from some literatures??
I thought of re-painting the scabbard to a more authentic color.
Pls advise. Thanks~
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 13:28:36 GMT
Hey Larry, Have you tried removing the tsuka to check the construction? I can't see anything from your photos that would preclude its use from its outward appearance... I am not particularly knowledgeable, though. Could be a fun piece - and at a good price!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2008 16:30:53 GMT
Thanks for your kind words, Vyapada. I do have the intention to disassemble the hilt for some 'restoration' works on the seppa & tsuba, but I'll need to find time & inspiration... I'll definitely work on that. Btw, what am I to look for when I disassemble the hilt?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2008 16:48:20 GMT
I asked this once before, but didn't get an answer, so i'm posting it with a pic. What the hell is this? Lamination line or something else?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2008 17:11:15 GMT
oops.. Sorry, Bythe way I thot you're referring to the more distinct 'hada' patterns on the larger surface of the blade I did not actually noticed it till you pointed out in pics.. I had just taken a 2nd look at the blade & come to a conclusion that likely the maker's trying to simulate a hamon or something, but seems like he did not do it quite well. That's just my guess, of cos
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2008 7:51:23 GMT
Hello all, I've finally got the chance to disassemble the recent WWII Japanese Officer's Shin-gunto I bought, & here are some pix to share WWII Japanese Officer's Shin-gunto disassembled: Close-up of the seppa, tsuba, habaki & etc: Close-up of the tsuka: Close-ups of the Spring Button Catch: The Tang:
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2008 20:56:05 GMT
thats a very nice replica if its not geniune great pics good luck with it nice sword
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2008 21:47:54 GMT
i would have bought its very nice looking but maybe a milk jug test ehh?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2008 7:07:50 GMT
Bytheway, that laminated line means/shows that it has 2 different steels forged together.
Larry, very nice looking sword.
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