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Post by ShooterMike on Dec 9, 2009 3:33:55 GMT
OK, who loves the convenience of the hex nut pommel assembly on modern reproductions of medieval sword, but bemoans how non-historic it looks? Anyone? Besides me, that is... Well thanks to Odingaard, here's an idea. PLUG IT! Here's a recently acquired and reviewed ATrim Type XVI sword's pommel. Notice standard 5mm hex nut securing the pommel. Here is the same sword after fitting the "pommel nut plug" I fashioned from a piece of 3/8" steel rod. The process was pretty simple. Just cut off a piece of steel rod the same diameter as the hold in the pommel. Heat the end red-hot and hammer a peen onto the end. Then cut off a piece just long enough to fit into the end of the nut. Next is the hard part. I used a file to file the non-hammered tip into a 5mm allen wrench profile. It can be seen in the first picture above. Then once the sword is securely assembled, fit the "peen plug" into place and further peen it into the pommel nut until tight. You can add some epoxy or contact cement is you want it to be mostly permanent. But I just press fitted my first try.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 3:54:57 GMT
Wow, that's very impressive! And a very good idea at that...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 4:37:14 GMT
See, it's things like that and knowing I don't have the tools or space that make me want to pack up my sword, drive north, and invite myself over so you can learn me a thing or twenty.
A Karma for the photos, ShooterMike.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 9:48:31 GMT
This really helped with the outlook of that sword.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Dec 9, 2009 10:27:19 GMT
how well does it stay in durring cutting? I'm sure it'd be fine with epoxy but what if I wanted it to stay removeable?
good work as always Mike.
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Post by ShooterMike on Dec 9, 2009 17:53:30 GMT
Thanks guys. how well does it stay in durring cutting? I'm sure it'd be fine with epoxy but what if I wanted it to stay removeable? good work as always Mike. Not sure yet. I made it a press fit. And then I peened the heck out of it once it was in the sword. I couldn'tget it to budge with my fingernails. And I put some red loctite on it when I inserted it. I think it will take a little heat to remove it. It would really be cool if someone could machine these, then turn them into strong magnets.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 23:51:28 GMT
That looks much better that way. My only serious complain about all the new VA swords is that visible hex nut, I think it really detracts from the overall feel of the sword.
Anyway, I've seen tons of neodymium magnets for sale online, It shouldn't be too hard to find one small enough to fit and glue it to a fake peenblock.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2009 16:16:01 GMT
Thing is, since all of the hexnuts VA uses are approx. the same size, It'd be awesome if someone could work out a way to attach a "strong magnet to a "nail head-shaped plate" that was chromed or blued or whatever to match the sword.
If you could get the production price down to a couple bucks (say $10 incl. shipping?), You could have yourself a nice little niché-market there.
Has anyone brought this idea to Sonny or Christian's attention?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2009 0:32:02 GMT
Mike, is that your new Atrim type XVI prototype that you used in the example pictures? Love that sword. *EDIT* Just re-read your post instead of being distracted by the pretty pictures, and yes, that's it. Really nice piece.
It's funny how that tiny change makes the look go from "Modern, high performance cutting tool" to "historic weapon of war." I don't know if I prefer it, I rather love the hex-nut assembly, the way it looks and having easy access to it, but it is quite striking the difference it made. Great idea.
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Dec 11, 2009 1:08:52 GMT
Mike, that's the kind of simple, brilliant, and elegant solution that makes me feel dumber'n a bag of hammers.
+1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2009 3:11:04 GMT
who woulda thought...
I tip my hat to the both of you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2009 8:56:44 GMT
Good job, Mike! I see he's taken the original idea and improved on it a bit! ;D The idea I had first posted was one that I have used for a bit with AT/VA swords. Take a roofing nail, cut the shaft to length of the hex hole, finish the head of the nail to match your sword/to your preference, magnetize the nail by rubbing it on a magnet, and insert. You can use a dab of silicone to help it stick, if you wish. That way, it's easily removed if the need arises. It's pretty cut and dry, takes about 10 mins. I had thought of having a local tool/die company make these, but due to the varying depth of the hex nuts and the expense involved ($1000 just to look at the idea pretty much), I decided against it. Anyone can make a plug for free with a nail/bolt, and a little elbow grease.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2009 14:46:39 GMT
Mike, that's an awesome idea and for those of us who have that skill, they've now got a viable solution to camouflaging their hex-nut constructed swords; I think I'll go with Odin's advice, not only because it is simpler, but also because it is within my abilities. lol
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Post by ShooterMike on Dec 11, 2009 14:50:46 GMT
Yeah, it's a bit of work. I'm working on another solution today. Will post if it works out...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2009 16:11:39 GMT
OR, you could offer this as a service to SBG, you know, a minimal charge (or whatever you decide would actually work, at least for me), somethin like $10 a pop? Just an idea.
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