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Post by kidcasanova on May 6, 2009 22:13:17 GMT
Hey kid those heavy fittings are needed to balance the heavy blade. It´s balanced out at 5 inches on a 28 inch blade already...with thinner more historic fittings that balance would jump out to 7 inches or so...which would make for an unwieldy sword. If the whole blade got thinner it would help a bit...but to get it back down to 5 inches with just a straight taper is a lot of metal that needs to get removed. This is why historical swords had distal tapering of some sort. Now if Eyal wants to take DSA in that direction instead of the niche market he currently holds, well I´d approve...but business wise he will lose a lot of his core customers in such a move and gain new ones slowly as he tries to shed DSA´s old image. I figured that was the reason, as noted. Still, I think DSA has more than enough skill to make a lighter and still durable sword. I think it would be cool if Eyal did that with a couple models, to test the water so to speak. But I don't blame him for holding the market he does. He's got a great business going and some really loyal fans. He looks out for the community and I respect his work, even if it's not to my personal tastes. Like I said earlier, this looks like a cool little sword. If I had the talent to rework it, I'd look into buying it for sure. But this thread seems to have taken a huge turn for the worse and so I'm just going to duck out of it now.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 22:40:52 GMT
Sweet fancy moses, so Albion swords are crap compared to old timey bladesmith's swords. Thats amazing...I don't understand why guns where ever invented if everyone was running around with omnipotent steely lightsabers. I wanna build a time machine and go back to the middle ages....not so I can see one of these Jesus swords, but to bring back one of these miracle blacksmiths so that he can cure cancer and aids. Not crap...just every day. It´s what they make as the bread and butter of their business. And if you can´t wrap your head around the fact that there are better swords out there then albions (MUCH better swords btw)...then your knowledge about swords is at a point where talking further with you is useless and will just get further asinine replies like this one.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 22:44:42 GMT
Sweet fancy moses, so Albion swords are crap compared to old timey bladesmith's swords. Thats amazing...I don't understand why guns where ever invented if everyone was running around with omnipotent steely lightsabers. I wanna build a time machine and go back to the middle ages....not so I can see one of these Jesus swords, but to bring back one of these miracle blacksmiths so that he can cure cancer and aids. This is a joke right?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2009 1:38:19 GMT
Sorry I hurt your fealings cold....I'm done.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on May 7, 2009 2:08:13 GMT
Sweet fancy moses, so Albion swords are crap compared to old timey bladesmith's swords. Thats amazing...I don't understand why guns where ever invented if everyone was running around with omnipotent steely lightsabers. I wanna build a time machine and go back to the middle ages....not so I can see one of these Jesus swords, but to bring back one of these miracle blacksmiths so that he can cure cancer and aids. Sorry I hurt your fealings cold....I'm done. Far out man, is your tag meant to be spelled 'Face tious'? ... I'm done. Roger that, over and out. But seriously, yes albions are good, but they are plain / simple and boring - munitions grade. Hardly fit for a king. Otherwise why do they do their Museum Line swords? They are munitions grade swords done well, with modern technology. If you want to see much nicer swords go do a search for Jake Powning, Don Fogg, Vince Evans, Uli Hennicke, John Lundemo, Tinker Pearce, Jody Samson, Raven Armoury.... I'm not done...
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Post by septofclansinclair on May 7, 2009 2:08:25 GMT
Keep it on topic, please. And tone down some of that drama or none of the popular boys are going to ask you to the prom.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2009 2:34:40 GMT
Wow sorry everyone, I just get worked up when I see one guy put down another guy because he thinks he knows more. I want let it happen again.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2009 5:51:53 GMT
Wow sorry everyone, I just get worked up when I see one guy put down another guy because he thinks he knows more. I want let it happen again. Put down?!? My reply was directed to the OP´s comment directed at the sword collecting community at large and what their lingo means. It was a clarification and quite frankly the issue was quite well resolved with him getting a better understanding of why things are called what they are and why. There was no need for you to come and start up trouble...nor make rather asinine comments to try and goad a fight. And yes this is me being polite for the sake of the moderators...but if you feel the need to push for a flame war I kindly suggest you not use other people´s threads to start one.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2009 13:46:19 GMT
Hey` Grinner.. You did a great job on your first review!! way to go.. I have to say I have not tried this sword out yet , but after your review I`m putting it on my list.. .. I own over 45 swords and 7 are DSA swords and I enjoy them a good bit.. love back yard cutting.. I can tell you this after years of cutting and testing them my DSA`s have held up much better than any other brand of swords I own .. I have not been able to damage or break one of my DSA blades yet.. I have learned in the sword world you CAN`T make everybody happy.. Sword buyers can be a picky as 5 year olds when it`s time to eat . But I enjoy the DSA swords I own.. DSA has really taken off in the last few years ,while other sword makers are doing everything they can just to stay open.. Keep a eye on DSA ... They have ALOT of great and cool things in the works.. Again great review... thanks .. Jason W
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Post by shadowhowler on May 7, 2009 15:05:45 GMT
Keep it on topic, please. And tone down some of that drama or none of the popular boys are going to ask you to the prom. Heh Heh... Cute.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 13:19:30 GMT
Facina, you have to realize that albion swords are representative of munition grade swords and not the top end swords of history. You want a replica of those and your gonna be paying several thousand dollar at least...for the blade. Now the consistency of the albion HT maybe something the smiths of old would have killed for...but honestly a smith of old seeing an albion of today wouldn´t be very impressed at what boils down to a basic low end sword for them. So a sword made with a steel of a quality impossible to attain the middle ages, milled and heat treated with a computer assistance for results more precise than from any blacksmith, would be classified as "average" considering your second hand opinion of second hand translations of an art that died out centuries ago. Oh... and your extensive backyard cutting experience... This is why I hate posting on these forums. To many people fail to accept the absurdity of discussing the merits of an object that will never be used for it's intended purpose. Unless you've actually used a sword to kill someone on the battlefield, I don't see how your opinion about "battle readiness" is better than anyone else's, ie: virtually worthless.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 13:52:31 GMT
Y'all, we are jacking this thread like it's GTA.... In all seriousness, if we want to start a thread on Albions and their respective historical accuracy, we could do that. In another thread. I for one would like to thank Grinner for a) putting up this enlightening review (DSA is now up there in my "next" list) and for B) putting up with our thread jacking. I admittedly am not the hugest fan of the pommel on that bad little beast you have, but that's a personal style thing. And Grinner, I'm with you on the fact that good balance is more important than overall weight. I'll look into this one when I go for a Euro single-hander. Nice review, have a karma..
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 23:41:15 GMT
Facina, you have to realize that albion swords are representative of munition grade swords and not the top end swords of history. You want a replica of those and your gonna be paying several thousand dollar at least...for the blade. Now the consistency of the albion HT maybe something the smiths of old would have killed for...but honestly a smith of old seeing an albion of today wouldn´t be very impressed at what boils down to a basic low end sword for them. So a sword made with a steel of a quality impossible to attain the middle ages, milled and heat treated with a computer assistance for results more precise than from any blacksmith, would be classified as "average" considering your second hand opinion of second hand translations of an art that died out centuries ago. Oh... and your extensive backyard cutting experience... And thank you oh all knowing master. You do realize that there is quite a few historic swords that have better thermal cycling then albions...right? With better steel (some even have carbide formations and possibly even carbon nanotubes) which FAR exceeds the quality of steel used by albion. Now they can´t do this CONSISTENTLY...and so the consistency is something they would be jealous of...but the quality of an albion sword is munition...average day...normal...common. And yes the ones that were much worse would be annealed and redone(quite a few swords had multiple thermal cycling before it was left as a battlefield weapons). They had worse...they had better...if they could get albions very single time, they would have been happy with that...but they produced better and worse...with the worse getting redone. I have studied sword steel at UC Berkeley archeology lab to know what I know along with reading other archaeological research papers and books(my major in college...and still of some interest to me still)...where do you know that albion level of heat treatment was unattainable in the past? Oh and for modern reference, my custom type XIIIa will be HT traditionally...with charcoal and water and oil...and the HT IF it comes out right will be superior to that of an albion...but there is that IF. The only modern thing is the steel billet...my next custom sword will be all historical without even the steel billet since the blacksmith and I are working on some experiments on that. If you truly believe this...then why did you hijack grinner´s review? And historical understanding doesn´t count? science doesn´t count? Extrapolations and experiments don´t count unless you kill somebody for real? If that is the case, then you are just invalidating quite a large chuck of history as almost all of history beyond 200 years or so is based off what mentioned above. The whole you can´t know unless you kill somebody for real is a ploy and excuse used by people who are being too lazy to learn. You can learn and know quite a lot if you stop using excuses and apply yourself to learn. Now will you know it 100%? Probably not...but you can know quite a bit...and have educated guesses about the rest...which is better then just going meh you can´t know so what I say goes. Which of course leads to the logical question of if we can´t know, why is what you say right and what somebody else say wrong? In any case don´t take my word for it...do the research yourself if you don´t wanna take my word for it. Or don´t and believe what you want...but since this is the third time grinner´s thread has gotten hijacked from what I wrote, if anyone else has issues with what I´m saying the just take it to PM please so I don´t have the need to continue to set record straight.
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