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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 4:05:41 GMT
All good points.
The KaBar has the Swept point blade with a normal "belly" for slashing, they've put a fuller in it to reduce weight. The first bevel is a nice long bevel which allows the secondary bevel to make for a very sharp knife. The swept point is perfect for stabbing because it has a sharper point than a drop point blade like the kukri has. The kukri would excel in chopping, throwing even, but because it's tip heavy, large and has an awkward blade shape it wouldn't be too effective in a fight IMO. I'm not certain on the place of origin of the kukri but from what I can see it's mainly a chopping blade, the type of thing you would take into a jungle for chopping vines, branches and what not.
Of course both blades have pros and cons, but I think the KaBar is more of an all around knife, you can baton with it, fight with it, stab with it, probably skin animals with it. Where the Kukri is more of just a chopping knife, like a machete. I think, at least.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 4:06:02 GMT
what do you mean the khukuri isn't native to Nepal?
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Post by alvin on Jan 12, 2009 4:19:15 GMT
what do you mean the khukuri isn't native to Nepal? I mean to say, the kukri/khukuri isn't native to Nepal. Maybe a little reading in Wiki might be of assistance. The Nepalese may call it their knife...and that's their right...and if they do, it doesn't make them correct. But, please feel free to provide some real evidence, not nationalistic wind, that it is native to Nepal. I'd be a little interested if there is such evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 5:44:39 GMT
Going a bit off topic here but... first of all most wiki articles are BS, wiki is not good evidence. Also if you want evidence; ` There is plenty of evidence if you use something other than wiki as your source
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Post by alvin on Jan 12, 2009 6:00:39 GMT
I have always thought that Wiki is a very poor source of real information. I suggested it to you as I thought that I had remembered you using Wiki several times in past posts as a source. You will note that your post states that 'The direct ancestor of the Kukri was no doubt the sword with a Kopis blade....' The Kopis I believe was an ancient Greek weapon. The Greeks under Alexander dominated much of India in the 4th century B.C. And the Greeks, and their successors, occupied much of the land near what was to become Nepal for many years. The legacy of the Greek weapons, blood, ect. influenced much of the region. Which indicates that, as I stated in my previous post, that, like the American Bowie, it is not native, but an evolution of prior designs. As stated in the material given by a Nepalese business - Khukuri House - "...believed to have existed 2500 years ago; “Kopi” is the probable source of the Khukuri that was used by Greek in the 4 th BC. However, khukuri came into limelight only in and particularly after the Nepal War in 1814-15 after the formation of British Gurkha Army...."www.thekhukurihouse.com/Content/KhukuriInfo.phpwww.himalayan-imports.com/khukuri-history.htmlTry again, read up a little more, and I believe that you can probably agree that the kukri/khukri is not native to Nepal. But, if you can find real evidence that it is native to Nepal, please provide it. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nativeGoing a bit off topic here but... first of all most wiki articles are BS, wiki is not good evidence. Also if you want evidence; ` There is plenty of evidence if you use something other than wiki as your source
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 6:20:55 GMT
I got a Coldsteel Peacekeeper I knife, which is more of a Pigsticker...........it tore through my Hatch Patrolman Kevlar cut resistant gloves and into my palm, leaving a deep gash on it..........other than the initial pain, nothing else happened.............OKC is also a choice knife maker for the US Armed Forces..........I agree with Alvin, if there is a US national knife it would be the Bowie knife.......BudK has a plethora of Bowie knives *ohhh shoot!!!! I said BudK!! I should karmalize myself!!!!!!!* (shrivels up and falls to the ground foaming saliva)
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 12, 2009 6:28:18 GMT
I like Ka-Bars. I like SOG. Hell, I like Kukris. For a while, I carried one of each, daily. Thanks for the thoughts on the knife, desi. Can't say I'd get that version (not big on the "tanto" tip and that...), but it seems pretty good for its design. Perhaps you other folks can have a mod or such split your off-topic posts to their own thread, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 6:31:05 GMT
You really didn't pay attention to anything I quoted did you? Ancestor is not the same as source. Whilst it may have some resemblance to the khukuri, the khukuri itself is native to nepal.
The kopis or falcatta is a very different animal to the khukuri. The khukuri is a different shape and designed for an entirely different purpose. Then again the khukuri out of nepal come in different shapes and sizes. I am still of the opinion that the khukuri itself is native to Nepal and of Nepalese origin.
Also I wouldn't ever use wikipedia as a reference or a source, university has taught me that much.
I'd love to see someone fillet a salmon with a kabar knife or use it in the kitchen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 6:41:19 GMT
heh i used wikipedia 4 my BA courses with phenomenal success, just search elsewhere 4 dedicated specific info................sorry 4 the poor grammar..........can't we just say the khukri shares ancestry with the kopesh, but got so many variations in shape and essence that became a native creation of the Nepalese...........now let's drink a cold beer and take poke shots at M.A.C.H.O.C.L.O.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 7:01:01 GMT
You really didn't pay attention to anything I quoted did you? Ancestor is not the same as source. Whilst it may have some resemblance to the khukuri, the khukuri itself is native to nepal. The kopis or falcatta is a very different animal to the khukuri. The khukuri is a different shape and designed for an entirely different purpose. Then again the khukuri out of nepal come in different shapes and sizes. I am still of the opinion that the khukuri itself is native to Nepal and of Nepalese origin. Also I wouldn't ever use wikipedia as a reference or a source, university has taught me that much. I'd love to see someone fillet a salmon with a kabar knife or use it in the kitchen. buy me a new one and I'll video myself curshing/chopping garlick, tomatoes, bananas you name it.
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 12, 2009 7:07:49 GMT
Hell, I'll go use my kukri in the kitchen if you pay for the food. I trust you've used your Wraith in the kitchen, blood? Must be handy.
A knife is a knife; it has a knife's job. The Kabar in question is intended as a military (style) fighting and general-purpose knife. I'm sure it does these things quite well. It's not a machete, it's a knife. It'll chop small pieces of wood, though. It's not a filet knife, heavens no, but it'll slice meat pretty well. It's not a cleaver, but I bet it'd do the job.
Same can be said for most medium-sized, general-purpose knives.
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Post by YlliwCir on Jan 12, 2009 7:20:34 GMT
Aku, you said the magic word. Actually I got my ka-bar Marine corp knife from budk, at a reasonable price too. I used the same knife to prepare some food for me and the woman down at Rough River dam state park a few years ago. Used to lay under my bed before I got the CS Laredo. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 11:56:37 GMT
Damn right!!!!!!!! BudK is the magic word!!!!! Have Karma for that!!!!!!! Now, seriously, the thread has been going well, it has a debate (we love debating) but lets not stray off the netiquette of the forum. Everyone has a right to voice their opinions RESPECTFULLY, so let's keep it that way. This is a matter of personal choice, Ka-Bar, OKC, Cold Steel, CRKT, and all cutleries don't pay us to be their their representatives or give us freebies, it is the other way around, we pay them for very sharp tools that can be used in a variety of tasks. And since there is not a SINGLE OMEGA FACTORY of KNIVES but many different cutleries, there is space for some people liking one brand and others the other. Further, these survival-military knives are multi tasking, and the essence of anything multi-tasking lies precisely on the word MULTI TASKING. Able to do many chores, it is not a specialized tool , so it won't do a precise job in anything but rather will enable the user to perform many chores that otherwise would require the operator to carry around a bucketload of tools. Then dealing with knives as national symbols, since there is no written evidence showing a definite one, there is room to speculate which one can be: some might say the KA-BAR, some might go for a Bowie; then again, its like saying which was the US Handgun in WWII: the Browning Hi-Power 9mm or the 1911 .45 ACP, or which is America's signature car: Chevy Corvette, Ford Mustang or Chrysler/Dodge Challenger? Back to the beginning it is a matter of choice............................
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Post by alvin on Jan 12, 2009 15:11:40 GMT
You really didn't pay attention to anything I quoted did you? Ancestor is not the same as source. Whilst it may have some resemblance to the khukuri, the khukuri itself is native to nepal. You really didn't read your own previously given support(?) for your argument, did you? Nor does the above, un-named, (source?) support your argument......'conception'....'Kopis-blade forms of the Indian subcontinent'.....'It is probable that the forward-angled form [ which includes the indigenous Nepalese Kora ] represents the oldest stratum over which the Rajput Kopis-bladed sword was superimposed'. Ancestor is a source/beginning/point in the road of evolution - in this case the evolution of a design. I have stated that the kukri design is not native to Nepal but is, like the American Bowie, a result of an evolution of prior designs. This matter - the kukri - means nada to me, but I have entertained your argument(?) so far. I made the same mistake a while back when I allowed myself to be drawn into a "discussion" with a "Lucihauser" fan over another pointless issue. A wasted use of my time as, as in this case, I failed to recognize that his argument(?) was also the result of the arrogance and immaturity that is common with some youth. And now I appear to have allowed it to happen again. I apologize to the originator of this thread for going off thread. But, this certainly isn't the first time that that has happened.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 17:49:00 GMT
I've used it to cleave through frozen turkey bones although being blued it is slightly dangerous as I am not sure if bluing is toxic or whatever.
The source for the above quote is;
Lord Egerton of Tatton. A Description of Indian and Oriental Armour: illustrated from the collection formerly kept in the India Office, now exhibited at South Kensington, and the author's private collection. London: W.H. Allen & co., Ltd., 1896. reprinted, New Delhi: Asian Educational Services, 2001.
The khukuri originates from the kora which is a nepalese blade and as such if it's ancestor, as you want to put it, is a nepalese blade then it stands to reason that the khukuri is a nepalese blade of nepalese origin.
Also you would do better to have people take you seriously if you weren't so snarky and condescending. Food for thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 18:53:40 GMT
I think this is degenerating quickly..............all parties involved must keep from firing at each other, failure will warrant my recommendation to a Senior Mod to have this thread closed. We are grown men, let's stop acting like little children, pot shotting at each other. Two of the involved are dear friends of mine, as a friend of both I ask you to halt it, as a mod I officially request you to tone it down or have this issue escalated to the proper hands.
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Post by alvin on Jan 12, 2009 18:59:30 GMT
I think this is degenerating quickly..............all parties involved must keep from firing at each other, failure will warrant my recommendation to a Senior Mod to have this thread closed. We are grown men, let's stop acting like little children, pot shotting at each other. Two of the involved are dear friends of mine, as a friend of both I ask you to halt it, as a mod I officially request you to tone it down or have this issue escalated to the proper hands. Hey Aku, As I indicated in my last post, I will no long participate here, as it has become quite clear that it would be like, as I read somewhere before, "casting pearls before swine". So, please keep the thread open for what it's worth.
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Post by slav on Jan 12, 2009 19:25:10 GMT
Back on topic, guys. Now.
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Post by YlliwCir on Jan 12, 2009 21:00:45 GMT
Ka-bar rocks. I dismantled an old sofa with my tanto.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2009 5:01:01 GMT
I've been using my next gen KaBar for throwing today, it's a beast.
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