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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Nov 12, 2009 1:51:19 GMT
A shirasaya is a storage saya and tsuka used to protect the nagasa when not in use. To be technical, I believe it's "toshin". "Toshin", if I'm not mistaken, is the entire bare blade while the "nagasa" refers only to the cutting part. ^_^ Why yes... you are correct.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2009 3:05:30 GMT
Yes, that's true, that's why I'm planning on modifying mine when I have the time and money. What I'd like to see, though, is a functional shikomizue. I'm not sure if Musashi's Zetsurin is a shikomizue, so much as a katana without a tsuba, but something along those lines (with a higher quality blade and such than the Zetsurin though) would certainly be nice. Anyone know of a company that makes a good shikomizue?
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Post by kaijinbutsu on Nov 12, 2009 3:54:18 GMT
A shirasaya is a storage saya and tsuka used to protect the nagasa when not in use. To be technical, I believe it's "toshin". "Toshin", if I'm not mistaken, is the entire bare blade while the "nagasa" refers only to the cutting part. ^_^ Correct. Although, the part that you are actually protecting from rust is the nagasa. Also, the monouchi is the actual cutting part of the blade...lol....I'm just teasing Kevin!!!! ;D I know what you're getting at....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2009 15:04:52 GMT
I bought one and posted it a while back, it looks like yours but came from Museum rep's and was made by Ryumon.The blade is differentially tempered and although it says its in shirasaya MR say's it's made to be used for cutting.I liked the one that Lucy Lui used in Kill Bill so I bought this one just to be different from a standard looking katana. Old thread /index.cgi?board=japaneseswords&action=display&thread=12053
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2009 22:57:19 GMT
I bought one and posted it a while back, it looks like yours but came from Museum rep's and was made by Ryumon.The blade is differentially tempered and although it says its in shirasaya MR say's it's made to be used for cutting.I liked the one that Lucy Lui used in Kill Bill so I bought this one just to be different from a standard looking katana. Old thread /index.cgi?board=japaneseswords&action=display&thread=12053 Nah, the one you've got is much better than msmalik's shirasaya. His has a fake, wire-brushed hamon. Ryumon, from what I've heard, makes much higher quality blades. Also, the shirasaya I have doesn't have those grooves in the handle, so it's even worse of a grip in my case. ^_^'
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2009 0:36:02 GMT
Correct. Although, the part that you are actually protecting from rust is the nagasa. Also, the monouchi is the actual cutting part of the blade...lol....I'm just teasing Kevin!!!! ;D I know what you're getting at.... MADNESS!! I will not hear these lies! ...No, wait... As a quick note, these would not be considered shirasaya; more shikomizue or something like that as they are laquered. Nurizaya = laquered koshirae. Shirasaya = Unlaquered "pajamas"
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Post by kaijinbutsu on Nov 18, 2009 7:23:43 GMT
As a quick note, these would not be considered shirasaya; more shikomizue or something like that as they are laquered. Nurizaya = laquered koshirae. Shirasaya = Unlaquered "pajamas" Very interesting!!! lol Pajamas!!
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Post by mrkrinkle on Nov 18, 2009 12:38:21 GMT
To answer some questions on the prices.....SOM may not have ANY of these in their stock. He may just be sending an order to the distributor to have the item drop shipped. Where I work, an HVAC distributor, we have different levels of pricing for certain contractors. The FAD (factory authorized dealers) get best prices and of course we have several different levels as well. We can also have items drop shipped directly from the factory. So, on a particular item, one contractor may pay (as example only), $425 for a piece of equipment while the lowest tier may pay $1125....a huge difference. IF Jason at SOM sells a lot, he may get the lowest prices available. He may barely need to lift a finger as the computer will generate most of the work, it's just a matter of him pushing a couple of keys on the computer to get a PO to the distributor. Blam! $20 bucks in his pocket. Sell 25 swords a week at an average of say $40 profit and you have $1000 for about 2 hours work for the week. Not a bad way to make a living.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2009 23:21:23 GMT
Very interesting!!! lol Pajamas!! Okay, so...polka-dot, flannel saya and a fuzzy slipper for a tsuka. Hey? Right? Ya with me, here?
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Post by nethack on Nov 20, 2009 21:27:42 GMT
Whoa..that's a surprise! A $40 shirasaya actually doesn't fall apart immediately! ;D
Great review. +1 karma
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2009 18:50:12 GMT
I need to get one of those...however does anyone have an opinion between this and the Musashi Zetsurin, I'm stuck between the two >.<.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2009 17:59:42 GMT
I bought one and posted it a while back, it looks like yours but came from Museum rep's and was made by Ryumon.The blade is differentially tempered and although it says its in shirasaya MR say's it's made to be used for cutting.I liked the one that Lucy Lui used in Kill Bill so I bought this one just to be different from a standard looking katana. Old thread /index.cgi?board=japaneseswords&action=display&thread=12053 Nah, the one you've got is much better than msmalik's shirasaya. His has a fake, wire-brushed hamon. Ryumon, from what I've heard, makes much higher quality blades. Also, the shirasaya I have doesn't have those grooves in the handle, so it's even worse of a grip in my case. ^_^' It is also 6 times the cost. You are comparing a Datsun to a Ferrarri here. The whole point to Musashis is the quality vs. cost.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 2:26:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 1:18:57 GMT
The pictures they show are not a Musashi Sharisaya. The Musashi swords they claim are kobuse are not, according to Musashi's site.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 2:29:12 GMT
The pictures they show are not a Musashi Sharisaya. The Musashi swords they claim are kobuse are not, according to Musashi's site. The shirasaya on that link clearly shows the Musashi brand habaki. As for the kobuse, sanmai, etc things...well...we use what they give us to use. They've sent us swords to advertise as sanmai and the blades are gyaku-kobuse. They'll send us a "kobuse" blade and it turns out to be hyoshigi or sanmai. We generally have to use the words they give us in the invoice, though we try to make the terms correct.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2009 14:21:48 GMT
The pictures they show are not a Musashi Sharisaya. The Musashi swords they claim are kobuse are not, according to Musashi's site. The shirasaya on that link clearly shows the Musashi brand habaki. As for the kobuse, sanmai, etc things...well...we use what they give us to use. They've sent us swords to advertise as sanmai and the blades are gyaku-kobuse. They'll send us a "kobuse" blade and it turns out to be hyoshigi or sanmai. We generally have to use the words they give us in the invoice, though we try to make the terms correct. On the kobuse-sanmei topic, I can not knowingly sell a kit-car as a Ferrari and claim innocence because the guy who owned it before me said it was a Ferrari. If you know that they are mis-labeling products, then you are not innocent in reselling those items with the same descriptions, even if selling on consignment or under contract. I know I am new here but admitting that you know you have mis-labeled products on your site isn't exactly filling me with confidence and it sure doesn't make me want to order from you. Musashis Sharisaya does not have that mark (the one that is kind-of in some of your pics but not others), check the OP or any other Musashi sharisaya review with pictures. For some reason, the one on your site has a different hamon pattern and a more poorly done kissaki than every other musashi sharisaya there are pictures of. I have never seen a habaki as badly misaligned as the one you decided to use as your "show sword". You claim in the description a "Visible temper line" even though they are thoroughly hardened with a wire brushed hamon. And finally, Musashis sharisayas have 3-45 degree grooves on the first hand fingertip side, something clearly missing from the pictures on your site. Just so I am clear, you say these are the pictures that "clearly show the Musashi brand"? Just for comparison, this is what it should look like even though it is reserved for their higher end swords;
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2009 23:41:01 GMT
I'll definately get at least one sword by musashi, the prices are too good to pass up on, very nice score
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