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Post by tera on Aug 6, 2024 6:03:49 GMT
The Walther is a great little pistol, but it's hammer fired, which can be a concern for snagging on stuff. Some people don't like hammer fired pistols for self defense, just saying. I think the snag argument against hammers is vastly diminished when we see so many folks running optics on their EDC. If reddots aren't snag concerns, I'm not worried about a hammer. Besides, I think any carry concern is moot when discussing .22lr. If you have any better ballistic option for personal defense, utilize it. .22lr pistols are at their best when suppressed. Makes everyone giggle the first time they try it.
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Post by mrstabby on Aug 6, 2024 6:10:28 GMT
Besides, I think any carry concern is moot when discussing .22lr. If you have any better ballistic option for personal defense, utilize it. That's why you need a 15 round magazine.
I thought that was the idea when backpacking? Or is it for plinking somewhere?
But yeah, even a .380 would be better and those aren't that much bigger or heavier - The Glock 42 feels sooo weird in my hands, I really hated it compared to the Walther PPK.
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Post by howler on Aug 6, 2024 16:45:56 GMT
Besides, I think any carry concern is moot when discussing .22lr. If you have any better ballistic option for personal defense, utilize it. That's why you need a 15 round magazine.
I thought that was the idea when backpacking? Or is it for plinking somewhere?
But yeah, even a .380 would be better and those aren't that much bigger or heavier - The Glock 42 feels sooo weird in my hands, I really hated it compared to the Walther PPK.
Ruger .380 Max with 12 round mag. Small as a .22lr, thus making it insane to carry a .22lr for primary self defense.
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Post by bandeaurouge on Aug 7, 2024 6:01:09 GMT
That's why you need a 15 round magazine.
I thought that was the idea when backpacking? Or is it for plinking somewhere?
But yeah, even a .380 would be better and those aren't that much bigger or heavier - The Glock 42 feels sooo weird in my hands, I really hated it compared to the Walther PPK.
Ruger .380 Max with 12 round mag. Small as a .22lr, thus making it insane to carry a .22lr for primary self defense. .380 isnt the best choice in caliber, but it has something the 22lr will never have in the modern age. Reliability in feeding, extraction, and in IGNITION due to the use of actual primers. I used to use CCI, until after experiencing a 30% failure rate in their ammunition. I mean, 30-35 rounds in a single box of 100 would not ignite on the first try. Rotate the rim, try again. Some would need 2-4 rotations before they fired. Maybe 10% NEVER fired. Yes i got CCI involved, and they had me send them a 100 count package of my DUDS.. Their technicials decided nothing was wrong with them after testing, and i did get a coupon for CCI clothing.. But I pulled a few bullets out of the duds i had kept, and most of them did not have complete priming in the rim.
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Post by mrstabby on Aug 7, 2024 9:14:08 GMT
I have never had as many failures with .22lr, maybe one within thousands of shots. The CCI were always pretty good, right now they aren't available in europe at all. The only two where I heard bad things were Remington Golden Bullet and the Winchester 500 shot bricks, but over all the ammo here is pretty reliable but also probably a lot more pricey than in the US. But go and ask the nearest gunstore for a self defense .22lr here, you'll get laughed at. Not saying it doesn't work, but you need to be really good with shot placement since most (if not all) hollow points won't even open fired from a pistol. A lot of failure to fire around here come from people dry firing their firearms causing damage or weak springs leading to light primer strikes - mostly dry firing though..... I bet they just put it in a gun and shot it, with the primer not going around there is a big chance they would have fired in a different orientation.
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Post by bandeaurouge on Aug 7, 2024 15:42:13 GMT
I have never had as many failures with .22lr, maybe one within thousands of shots. The CCI were always pretty good, right now they aren't available in europe at all. The only two where I heard bad things were Remington Golden Bullet and the Winchester 500 shot bricks, but over all the ammo here is pretty reliable but also probably a lot more pricey than in the US. But go and ask the nearest gunstore for a self defense .22lr here, you'll get laughed at. Not saying it doesn't work, but you need to be really good with shot placement since most (if not all) hollow points won't even open fired from a pistol. A lot of failure to fire around here come from people dry firing their firearms causing damage or weak springs leading to light primer strikes - mostly dry firing though..... I bet they just put it in a gun and shot it, with the primer not going around there is a big chance they would have fired in a different orientation. but when i send a box of 100 DUDs to CCI techinicians. 100 rounds that FAILED to fire after 2, 3, 4 tries, put cartridge in gun, fire, nothing happens, remove cartridge, reinsert cartridge into gun by rotating the firing pin indentations, fire again.. do that 2 -4 times with no BANG... The primer on modern 22lr, 22short, 22 long, is a joke, its a spray nozzle spraying a thing liqoud. I ahve pulled some apart that never had the liquid get in the rim section at all.
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Post by tera on Aug 7, 2024 20:18:19 GMT
I admit I suspected light primer strikes (especially when CCI claimed your 100 duds fired fine) but inspecting the cartridges to find little to no primer in the rim is very odd.
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Post by eastman on Aug 8, 2024 1:40:05 GMT
never had that problem with CCI or the original Eley-primed Aguila
Winchester .22LR from 2012-2015 was the worst for not firing. I have had a few Federal Automatch that didn't fire on a really good looking firing pin strike. Most fired after a 180-degree rim rotation, but not all.
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Post by howler on Aug 8, 2024 2:25:38 GMT
Ruger .380 Max with 12 round mag. Small as a .22lr, thus making it insane to carry a .22lr for primary self defense. .380 isnt the best choice in caliber, but it has something the 22lr will never have in the modern age. Reliability in feeding, extraction, and in IGNITION due to the use of actual primers. I used to use CCI, until after experiencing a 30% failure rate in their ammunition. I mean, 30-35 rounds in a single box of 100 would not ignite on the first try. Rotate the rim, try again. Some would need 2-4 rotations before they fired. Maybe 10% NEVER fired. Yes i got CCI involved, and they had me send them a 100 count package of my DUDS.. Their technicials decided nothing was wrong with them after testing, and i did get a coupon for CCI clothing.. But I pulled a few bullets out of the duds i had kept, and most of them did not have complete priming in the rim. Only reason to choose a .380 for home handgun defense is if one is very recoil intolerant or has physical hand difficulties that hamper using a 9mm, .40, .45, .357 magnum, but make sure you use a regular to large sized gun to shoot the .380 . There are some truly tiny "mouse guns" in .380 that make real pocket guns, and I mean you barely know it's there, not in name only like many guns people claim to be pocket carrying but are WAY too big. .22lr is a stupid choice when one can rock a .380 in the same size gun. Really, if you carry inside or outside the waist, something like a Sig P365 9mm is more appropriate but sometimes that Ruger .380 Max is very convenient.
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