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Post by pbrowne on Jan 11, 2024 12:42:24 GMT
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Post by pbrowne on Jan 11, 2024 12:48:21 GMT
Let me know if I need more photos
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Post by madirish on Jan 11, 2024 13:56:58 GMT
Any poincons on the blade itself? The ones on the guard seem to be all proper for the time frame....though I can't tell what that top one is in the picture of 3 on the guard. Napoleon fell in April 1814....so the makers mark would have been Manufature Royale instead of Manfuacture Imperiale, so that's right and apparently Krantz was the director until Borson took over on August 1, 1814....so the Kstar stamp is good. Looks very nice
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Post by pbrowne on Jan 11, 2024 22:51:16 GMT
Any poincons on the blade itself? The ones on the guard seem to be all proper for the time frame....though I can't tell what that top one is in the picture of 3 on the guard. Napoleon fell in April 1814....so the makers mark would have been Manufature Royale instead of Manfuacture Imperiale, so that's right and apparently Krantz was the director until Borson took over on August 1, 1814....so the Kstar stamp is good. Looks very nice ah, yes, missing a photo:
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Post by pbrowne on Jan 11, 2024 22:52:28 GMT
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Post by pbrowne on Jan 11, 2024 22:53:36 GMT
What would you expect as a reasonable price?
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Post by bas on Jan 12, 2024 3:44:38 GMT
Something feels off on this one to me for some reason. There is a Polish-made replica out there that is a very good facsimile of the An XI and this reminds me of it. The Poncoins on the guard look overdone, while the ones on the blade are poorly struck. I'd research this one further if it was me.
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Post by madirish on Jan 12, 2024 4:36:27 GMT
I don't love the spine marking now that I look at it more closely with the bigger photo....have not seen one where the "g" goes off the blade and comes back.....that doesn't make a great deal of sense. The abbreviation for Manufacture is a little odd, too...they did it all sorts of ways, but I've not seen that way before. I am not an expert.
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Post by sabre on Jan 12, 2024 6:35:13 GMT
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Post by pbrowne on Jan 12, 2024 6:40:50 GMT
Something feels off on this one to me for some reason. There is a Polish-made replica out there that is a very good facsimile of the An XI and this reminds me of it. The Poncoins on the guard look overdone, while the ones on the blade are poorly struck. I'd research this one further if it was me. The sword is described as " near new condition" and "perfect condition". It is with a highly reputable dealer of top end antiques from the period in France, just saying... But yeah, after honest opinions here, that's what it's all about.
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Post by pbrowne on Jan 12, 2024 6:46:53 GMT
I don't love the spine marking now that I look at it more closely with the bigger photo....have not seen one where the "g" goes off the blade and comes back.....that doesn't make a great deal of sense. The abbreviation for Manufacture is a little odd, too...they did it all sorts of ways, but I've not seen that way before. I am not an expert. Which abbreviation are you referring to madirish? Peter
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Post by pbrowne on Jan 12, 2024 6:55:27 GMT
I don't love the spine marking now that I look at it more closely with the bigger photo....have not seen one where the "g" goes off the blade and comes back.....that doesn't make a great deal of sense. The abbreviation for Manufacture is a little odd, too...they did it all sorts of ways, but I've not seen that way before. I am not an expert. Interesting point about the engraving on the spine and the "g". Begs the question as to how the engravings were done, as I have seen other examples where the engraving does not appear to be wholly contained in the spine. Were they do en bloc?
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Post by mrstabby on Jan 12, 2024 8:52:54 GMT
I don't love the spine marking now that I look at it more closely with the bigger photo....have not seen one where the "g" goes off the blade and comes back.....that doesn't make a great deal of sense. The abbreviation for Manufacture is a little odd, too...they did it all sorts of ways, but I've not seen that way before. I am not an expert. Interesting point about the engraving on the spine and the "g". Begs the question as to how the engravings were done, as I have seen other examples where the engraving does not appear to be wholly contained in the spine. Were they do en bloc? Engraving would be done akin to this, but by hand with a hammer and chisel. Needs a lot of skill and fine motor control. Maybe the engraver just had a bad day?
EDIT: Did they have automatic engraving tools back then? I think the pneumatic ones were invented somewhere in the 20th century, so it had to be manual, right?
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Post by pbrowne on Jan 12, 2024 9:44:51 GMT
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Post by sabre on Jan 12, 2024 10:11:31 GMT
They used acid to engrave the blades.
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Post by madirish on Jan 12, 2024 18:34:46 GMT
Either way...It just seemed odd that the "g" goes "off the page" and comes back. If it is a template, you figure it would be sized properly for the spine. I'd not seen it like that before on any I've handled or looked at online, but sabre just showed several examples and it is also that way on the example on Klingenthal.fr.
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Post by madirish on Jan 12, 2024 18:41:32 GMT
I don't love the spine marking now that I look at it more closely with the bigger photo....have not seen one where the "g" goes off the blade and comes back.....that doesn't make a great deal of sense. The abbreviation for Manufacture is a little odd, too...they did it all sorts of ways, but I've not seen that way before. I am not an expert. Which abbreviation are you referring to madirish? Peter Mf ture , hadn't see that before, but never mind...I found an example like that in L'Hoste's reference book, I missed it last night. With that and the "g" example right on the front page of klingenthal.fr......I'm back to "looks good"!
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Post by pbrowne on Jan 13, 2024 6:25:18 GMT
Which abbreviation are you referring to madirish? Peter Mf ture , hadn't see that before, but never mind...I found an example like that in L'Hoste's reference book, I missed it last night. With that and the "g" example right on the front page of klingenthal.fr......I'm back to "looks good"!
Thanks Madirish. I guess this is the image on klingenthal.fr:
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Post by pbrowne on Jan 13, 2024 8:34:01 GMT
Does the sword have a model 1816 scabbard?
Would that mean that the sword was manufactured in 1814 and issued in 1816? Or was just that the scabbard later mated with the sword?
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Post by sabre on Jan 13, 2024 8:45:24 GMT
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