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Post by kclee008 on Jun 2, 2023 21:59:45 GMT
Thank you both for your replies. As a sword enthusiast without any smithing abilities, I’ve been curious of hollow grinds, specifically on swords for a while. This conversation adds to the complexity of what they are and how they impact several areas of performance. Fwiw I like the way they look but I wasn’t sure how they would perform in comparison to other geometries. Part of it was my (incorrect?) thinking that the center ridge would add to stiffness for thrusting by creating something like a spine inside the blade while keeping two think edges. But I also thought the hollow grind might reduce cutting performance d/t the same center ridge creating added friction/resistance halfway through a cut. Just trying to think it out.
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Post by kclee008 on Jun 2, 2023 22:02:34 GMT
And all that to say, I’m guessing the best answer is probably “it depends.” Things like taper, edge angles, depth of grind, width, flatness towards tip, etc. all add or subtract to the final results.
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Post by toddstratton1 on Jun 2, 2023 22:03:54 GMT
Hollow ground blades are awesome, I don't have anything scientific to add. Just that I love how they feel when I use a sword that has one and they are such a good looking aesthetic. The Albion Earl, and Albion Regent would be the only sword I would want to own if I could only have one. For an Albion anyways haha. I own neither right now though. Sold my Earl. Plan to pick up a Regent. Both are amazing swords. Excuse my rambling lol
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Post by kclee008 on Jun 3, 2023 0:49:37 GMT
Hollow ground blades are awesome, I don't have anything scientific to add. Just that I love how they feel when I use a sword that has one and they are such a good looking aesthetic. The Albion Earl, and Albion Regent would be the only sword I would want to own if I could only have one. For an Albion anyways haha. I own neither right now though. Sold my Earl. Plan to pick up a Regent. Both are amazing swords. Excuse my rambling lol They are pretty swords. There’s also that Alpha Omega on the sales page that is a Munich blade but with a hollow grind and different hilt. Very cool sword too.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 3, 2023 5:17:12 GMT
I own two hollow grind swords. The Windlass Erbach with nearly invisible hollow grind. It's a war sword and a bit too blade heavy, they should have grinded it more hollow. My CS Competition Cutting Sword is a modified Windlass Arbedo and has a better visible hollow grind. Both are wide XVIIIa cutting swords with some remaining thrusting ability, but not armor piercers. My Albion Munich is an armor piercer, a can opener. Despite the visible slender shape it's a mean heavy battle sword. To become more agile it could have some hollow grind in my opinion. The extreme anti-hollow-grind sword is an estoc, just a round or square bar of steel for pure thrusting. An extreme hollow grind blade is the triangular hollow grind smallsword blade, (trefoil, not three foil) also more or less just for pure thrusting, but extremely light. The classic hollow grind swords were the XV and XVIII types with blades with wide cutting base and reinforced point for thrusting. The hollow grind made them less heavy and the mid ridge leads to the reinforced point.
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Post by kclee008 on Jun 3, 2023 13:38:52 GMT
I own two hollow grind swords. The Windlass Erbach with nearly invisible hollow grind. It's a war sword and a bit too blade heavy, they should have grinded it more hollow. My CS Competition Cutting Sword is a modified Windlass Arbedo and has a better visible hollow grind. Both are wide XVIIIa cutting swords with some remaining thrusting ability, but not armor piercers. My Albion Munich is an armor piercer, a can opener. Despite the visible slender shape it's a mean heavy battle sword. To become more agile it could have some hollow grind in my opinion. The extreme anti-hollow-grind sword is an estoc, just a round or square bar of steel for pure thrusting. An extreme hollow grind blade is the triangular hollow grind smallsword blade, (trefoil, not three foil) also more or less just for pure thrusting, but extremely light. The classic hollow grind swords were the XV and XVIII types with blades with wide cutting base and reinforced point for thrusting. The hollow grind made them less heavy and the mid ridge leads to the reinforced point. This is very helpful to me when conceptualizing some of the differences. Thanks again!
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Post by mrstabby on Jun 3, 2023 14:43:07 GMT
Most of mine are slightly convex (windlass, Cold Steel, Hanwei) except my United Cutlery dagger, it is a little hollow ground, but like a sheet of paper deep. The worst offender is Legacy Arms, the blade has an oval cross section and really heavy for its length (1.45kg/3.2lbs @ 84cm/33", PoB 17cm/7"). It isn't mine, I only saw it once, I have the dagger for now though, same thick cross section as the sword. Getting a hollow grind right is a bit trickier than a flat one in my experience. By hand at least. The problems are keeping the grind consistent and not making the edge too thin. I imagine the cost of a hollow ground blade to have been much higher, since it takes much more care and experience to make a good edge geometry, very few historical examples it seems. Easier to do with modern tools of course, like CNC milling (united cutlery uses this I believe, their swords still are too heavy for my taste).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 20:15:27 GMT
I have the Darksword Squire with they say, a hollow grind, barely visible, but there. This is of course based on an arming sword so we are talking about a shorter blade than some of the others that have been mentioned. I haven't done any cutting with it, and likely won't, this is the best blade on any sword I have ever owned, and I couldn't bear to damage it. The polish job on it is flawless- I also have an Arbedo, again, a flattened diamond cross section and for the price, very well done. I just really like the look of this style blade. All my others are fullered. I have another coming that's going to be interesting. I called Krieger Armory and talked to them about building me their Guardian but with a 28" blade with the normal tip as opposed to the fencing blunted tip- They said no problem. I paid a bit more than the price to cover the additional conversion. It should be a beauty and very light- Their fencing line features a wide but shallow fuller I had not seen before, so hopefully, it'll be an interesting blade--
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Post by perignum on Jun 6, 2023 20:42:56 GMT
I have the Windlass Erbach, the new version, with the slightly stiffer blade.
Cuts like a laser. I think I wrote up an account of it on here somewhere.
The blade is so wide that there’s serious meat behind the swing.
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