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Post by eastman on Mar 9, 2023 4:09:22 GMT
when on foot, don't knights use coconut shells?
I saw that in a movie about King Arthur.
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Post by skelley on Mar 9, 2023 4:32:54 GMT
Of course not! Mercia is a temperate Zone! Where would they get the coconuts?!
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Post by howler on Mar 9, 2023 4:47:52 GMT
ALL those COUNTLESS Storm Troopers in all those movies (clad in white armor that was evidently useless for protection) shooting at our heroes and their allies with those laser blasters...and missing. I can see why the light saber was popular, but even a regular ole' steel sword/spear would have worked better, evidently.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Mar 13, 2023 13:10:14 GMT
Of course not! Mercia is a temperate Zone! Where would they get the coconuts?! A swallow could carry it.....
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Post by xtremetrainer on Mar 28, 2023 22:37:54 GMT
Have you ever trained in HEMA or done sparring against a spear? It becomes obvious very quickly why a spear was the primary weapon. Then why didn't knights use spears while on foot?
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Post by xtremetrainer on Mar 28, 2023 22:40:37 GMT
There are several issues with your claims - What do you mean "The only time knights used spears was while on horseback"? This sounds like utter nonsense as there is plenty of evidence for knights using spears on foot - "in the hands of a highly skilled person a sword is a more effective weapon" Again this is nonsense. A "low skill weapon" is not less effective. In fact it is often the opposite! A highly skilled individual will be able to use the so-called low-skill weapon with greater ease. Have you ever sparred against an experienced swordsman who is instead armed with a spear? It's usually even more difficult than if he were to use a sword because martial skill transfers over to different weapon types, but now he has greater reach. Would recommend you look into period sources such as combat treatises and artwork, where it is very clear that spears were absolutely used by knights on foot Do you have a link to any sources that back up your claim that knights used spears on foot? Im talking about knights not standard foot soldiers.
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Post by xtremetrainer on Mar 28, 2023 22:42:08 GMT
- "in the hands of a highly skilled person a sword is a more effective weapon" Again this is nonsense. A "low skill weapon" is not less effective. In fact it is often the opposite! Not necessarily, a bow was in many ways a more effective weapon than a musket but it took much more skill to use. That's why, once the musket was invented, it became the main weapon of soldiers, because it was much easier to teach a soldier to use a musket than a longbow.
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Post by xtremetrainer on Mar 28, 2023 22:42:53 GMT
If you have a spear or lance in hand and a sword hanging on your belt what would you use first? Depends on the situation of course. Am I on horseback or on foot?
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Post by xtremetrainer on Mar 28, 2023 22:44:16 GMT
There are mountains of evidence showing that knights and men-at-arms used spears/lances of various lengths and designs extensively, both on foot and on horseback. Show me a source that backs up your claim about knights using spears while on foot.
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Post by leviathansteak on Mar 29, 2023 1:55:00 GMT
There are several issues with your claims - What do you mean "The only time knights used spears was while on horseback"? This sounds like utter nonsense as there is plenty of evidence for knights using spears on foot - "in the hands of a highly skilled person a sword is a more effective weapon" Again this is nonsense. A "low skill weapon" is not less effective. In fact it is often the opposite! A highly skilled individual will be able to use the so-called low-skill weapon with greater ease. Have you ever sparred against an experienced swordsman who is instead armed with a spear? It's usually even more difficult than if he were to use a sword because martial skill transfers over to different weapon types, but now he has greater reach. Would recommend you look into period sources such as combat treatises and artwork, where it is very clear that spears were absolutely used by knights on foot Do you have a link to any sources that back up your claim that knights used spears on foot? Im talking about knights not standard foot soldiers. I have taken the time to provide you some sources, and sincerely hope that you are the kind that responds well to documented evidence because i do not want to waste my time on discussion if you are not. Document specifically addressing knights and talking about spear on foot wiktenauer.com/wiki/Glasgow_Gloss_FragmentTreatise by Fiore late 14th century knight) covers spear on foot among other weapons wiktenauer.com/wiki/Fior_di_Battaglia_(MS_Ludwig_XV_13)Dueling accounts of Jacques de Lalaing feature use of spear on foot www.thearma.org/essays/Lalaing.htm#.ZCOZz3ZBxdgGladiatoria treatise covering knightly combat on foot - also featuring spears wiktenauer.com/wiki/Gladiatoria_(MS_Germ.Quart.16)
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Post by legacyofthesword on Mar 31, 2023 20:27:13 GMT
There are mountains of evidence showing that knights and men-at-arms used spears/lances of various lengths and designs extensively, both on foot and on horseback. Show me a source that backs up your claim about knights using spears while on foot. leviathansteak has provided a nice assortment of sources. Show me a source that backs up your claim that knights never used spears on foot.
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Post by xtremetrainer on Apr 10, 2023 23:08:50 GMT
Show me a source that backs up your claim about knights using spears while on foot. leviathansteak has provided a nice assortment of sources. Show me a source that backs up your claim that knights never used spears on foot. A knight's primary method of attack was to charge on horseback with a lance. The knight would then draw a sword if the lance shattered upon impact as was often the case or of the knight was de-horsed as lances weren't designed to be used on foot.
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Post by leviathansteak on Apr 10, 2023 23:20:07 GMT
leviathansteak has provided a nice assortment of sources. Show me a source that backs up your claim that knights never used spears on foot. A knight's primary method of attack was to charge on horseback with a lance. The knight would then draw a sword if the lance shattered upon impact as was often the case or of the knight was de-horsed as lances weren't designed to be used on foot. Please provide a source for this claim
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Post by Alan Schiff on Apr 17, 2023 19:21:55 GMT
A knight's primary method of attack was to charge on horseback with a lance. The knight would then draw a sword if the lance shattered upon impact as was often the case or of the knight was de-horsed as lances weren't designed to be used on foot. This is a very broad, generalized statement. Not all knights, or more appropriately men-at-arms, fought primarily on horseback. For example, during the Hundred Years War, we know that English men-at-arms generally fought on foot and used polearms as their primary weapon. Additionally, manuscripts show plenty of knights wielding spears, axes, maces, and other weapons while on foot.
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Post by shizzeldidizzel on Apr 18, 2023 11:43:29 GMT
That question/statement requires you to specify which time period. A norman knight would probably fight with a sword and a kite shield, a 13th century german knight would wield an axe and a 15th century french knight a pollaxe
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Post by Murffy on Apr 18, 2023 15:11:08 GMT
A knight's primary method of attack was to charge on horseback with a lance. The knight would then draw a sword if the lance shattered upon impact as was often the case or of the knight was de-horsed as lances weren't designed to be used on foot. Please provide a source for this claim It kind of looks like the source is simply "common conception of what a knight is," rather than something based on the historical record. A lot of people, when dealing with deeply embedded ideas, have trouble getting past that sort of thing.
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