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Post by George on Feb 6, 2023 15:16:03 GMT
Is a question I've been pondering for a long time now. In the last decade, the amount of swords I've owned at any one time has varied from 0 to about 8 at one time. While I've never had more than 8 at one time I've owned over 40 Japanese blades. For 2023, I've limited myself to only two swords** (for personal reasons, I tend to get carried away with anything I'm currently interested in). One fancy/expensive one as a collectors item that I will not use and the other one is to use, cut, practice kata etc. I don't feel that I really "need" anything more than this. This does not count my tanto, which also only count as two right now. A signed muromachi tanto I'm in the process of mounting and another tanto that I use to practice with. Once again the "one to collect" "one to use" rule I'm kind of testing out now. I will eventually fit another Nihonto in my collection, but I wish to spend big $$$$ on it, so will be awhile to save. It's something I've always wanted to commission a brand new made shinken from a Japanese smith. I will call the third sword "art" so it won't count in my rule of two I'm trying out right now hehe ;)
Viewing the Classifieds here on the daily got me wondering "why buy" or "what is" your process for buying new swords (new to you this question also applies to buying second hand)? Do you just LOVE swords and want as many as you can handle/own or are you after the holy grail that has as yet eluded you? Have you never even thought of this? Are you trying to find the right sword that looks and feels just perfect for you? Are they simply tools for you and tools eventually wear out, you need to replace. It's cheaper now to replace rather than repair (I know from personal sword experience haha).
Just curious about other personal experiences with sword buying and "the sword itch." For me, I've lost A LOT of money buying and selling over the years, I'm starting to focus on quality over quantity now. I'd prefer to save up for 3 years and buy a $5k sword rather than buy a $500 sword every year. But that is just me. Like I always say, I only have two arms haha. But what is your feeling on this? Please don't stress, I'm in no way trying to judge anyone or any decision, I'm just real curious about your process. Thanks for sharing!! :)
** I currently own 5 katana, 3 of which I've decided to sell just this week leaving me with only 2. It's a work in process haha.
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Post by vagabondzenith on Feb 6, 2023 16:29:58 GMT
i started this hobby in 2021 and fell in love with japanese culture and of course the romance of the way of the samurai. ive loved swords since i was born but didnt think to own one until 2 years ago. since then ive had around 20 and now im sitting at 12 expecting 13 and 14 in a month. i kind of did a "learn as much about modern katanas speedrun" and went on a spending spree these last 2 years, the sword itch is real man lol. ive got what people would consider some great modern katanas with a wide range of purposes i made up in my head to make excuses into buying them. but now im starting to downsize and focus more on practicing toyama ryu than being a collector as im not very materialistic, but like you i go too far in anything im interested in haha.
i bought the connoisseurs book of japanese swords and started learning about sword appraisal and antiques so thats the direction i want to go in terms of collecting. eventually when ive learned enough about nihonto i want to have 3 daisho of real nihonto or something of similar quality like howard clark or motohara, one for tameshigiri, one for kata and one to display. with how much money ive spent i probably could have been there by now but thats what happens in life you live and learn.
i remember when i just got my around my 9th katana and it didnt come with the same feeling as the first few i bought, that rush of excitement. i just sat there questioning why i own so many when i only have 2 hands. its just unnecessary. (moving 15 swords to a new place is really a hassle btw)
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Post by jester on Feb 6, 2023 17:04:27 GMT
I'm into swords since birth as I belong to a family of strong fencers. Each sword has something for me, whether aesthetically or performance wise. There's no such a thing as "too many swords". There are "swords".
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Post by ggolden219 on Feb 6, 2023 17:25:25 GMT
Short answer - I have a problem and addiction is real.
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Post by Yagoro on Feb 6, 2023 18:13:34 GMT
I keep the swords that I like using. However, I would be lying if I dont also just like handling swords that are new to me lol. I try to not have more than 5 swords at any given time
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 6, 2023 18:32:27 GMT
I'm more of a collector than a user, so rather than try to focus on "finding the one" or only acquiring enough to fill any practical need, I like to acquire what I can appreciate, aesthetically.
Swords, in general or even just within katana, are a widely varied group. Different schools made swords different ways, different people had different requirements, and personal aesthetics variy enormously.
If I were to limit myself to "just one" within the katana world, I'd still need ONE shinogi-zukuri, ONE shobu-zukuri, ONE moroha-zukuri, etc, in EACH katana, wakizashi, and tanto, where available, and ONE EACH suguha, choji, gunome, etc, ONE EACH mokume, itame, ayasuji, etc. I'd cram as much of each into as few as possible, like I'd be satisfied with a hira-zukuri wakizashi with suguha hamon and itame hada if I already had a shinogi-zukuri wakizashi with notare hamon and mokume had a, but I'd still want another wakizashi to represent what I haven't with the others.
That said, I've mostly fallen out of Japanese(-style) swords and moved on to other types. Even then, I still have, and appreciate five different Khyber knives, two Moro Kris, and while I have two almost-identical flyssas, I'd like to have at least one more, in a different form.
I think that's basically it for me. I'm not collecting "just swords;" I'm collecting art. Sculptures, that happen to be swords, some of which are "painted" differently.
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Post by pgandy on Feb 6, 2023 19:56:10 GMT
If one is good, two are better, no? Of course, two are. And so it goes.
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Post by howler on Feb 6, 2023 22:13:29 GMT
If one is good, two are better, no? Of course, two are. And so it goes. Two is one, and one is none, so you want more than one (which is at least two). So two is at least four...and ya kind of want more than two (six). I think six is minimum (12).
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 6, 2023 22:28:28 GMT
I've seen a couple other folk in different hobbies refer to the appropriate number of any thing to own is n+1, where n is the number you currently have.
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Post by Arlequin on Feb 6, 2023 22:44:20 GMT
Because shiny stabby stick makes caveman brain go brrr
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Post by skelley on Feb 6, 2023 23:39:06 GMT
I have a hard time letting things go. Like, I just got rid of a bunch of old Yu-Gi-Oh! cards I've had in my dresser for like... 15 years, I think.
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Post by Robert in California on Feb 7, 2023 0:11:47 GMT
I have accumulated more swords than I need because I keep looking for relatively inexpensive swords that come close to perfection.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 7, 2023 0:48:49 GMT
You can multiply the number of kats of yours with 10 if you want to know how other swords of other cultures handle. At least I did...
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Post by George on Feb 7, 2023 2:05:56 GMT
I've loved reading your perspectives and "sword collecting directions" so far. Such different views and opinions. I get you! I've been there mostly myself. Well, maybe not with you Andi as I've never ventured into swords of other cultures. My Grandfather had Middle Eastern, European, Roman and Jungle (not sure of the culture, maybe New Guniea?) antiques so I've seen and handled different types of blades, but never really got into them myself.
This really resonated: "with a wide range of purposes i made up in my head to make excuses into buying them." Right there with you haha. It's why I'm trying to let go a little bit. See if I can save some money for some higher end Art swords which I'll never get if I keep making up excuses why I need to buy another Zsey, Huawei or Motohara (all REAL thoughts/ideas I've had in the last 2 weeks LOL). I'm definitely moving into the more "swords are art" kind of collecting place myself. I'd rather hang a beautiful sword on the wall than a famous oil painting for example. I'm sure most of us can relate. I'm really getting into antique art koshirae too.
I loved the line: "I've seen a couple other folk in different hobbies refer to the appropriate number of any thing to own is n+1, where n is the number you currently have." 100% still there haha. There is always that one future sword... I wonder if this will always be the case and then you end up with 20 swords haha. I guess that's the point :)
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Feb 7, 2023 2:41:03 GMT
I guess in total I’ve had eighteen japanese swords pass through my hand although I’m only holding on to eight of those. Why?
There’s actually a lot of variation in Japanese swords, both by time and tradition. And while books are great, the only way you can really understand what they look like is to hold one. Also, really nice to cut air a little and imagine how the old owners handled it. It actually helps a lot, memorize what a hizen looks like and you can spot one when some random guy sells an unknown sword. That’s to your benefit since they’re pretty desirable.
Since they’re stable in price you can buy and study and then sell and repeat ad infinatum. That was my strategy at getting decent re these things. And if that sounds like spreading myself too thin I’d like to point out I also dabble with antique to ancient coins/metalwork and old guns. Maybe that’s a bit master of none but at least that way I can pick out what I’m looking at and know if I should roll the dice.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Feb 7, 2023 2:56:39 GMT
Oh and do specialize. After you’ve seen enough you’ll probably like a type. When you sell off your old hang on to those and know how much they cost and how to spot so you can get more.
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Post by eastman on Feb 7, 2023 3:18:52 GMT
I believe this was best summarized by a 20th century American philosopher - "too much of a good thing is wonderful"
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Post by steveboy on Feb 7, 2023 4:31:51 GMT
If I didn't customize the heck of of the poor things I'd probably be fine with one good shinken, one good tanto, and one good iaito (maybe two iaito, as I like the el-cheapo ones for their more realistic handling and the lightweight, higher-end alloy ones just cuz they're fun). But customization puts me in this Zen space of contemplating the specific blade and the idea of blade, and designing the customization with an eye to being true to both.
The elegance of the Japanese sword's blend of utility and art is evergreen, for me. Challenging to design for (so much is stripped away), satisfying to enact.I like this aspect at least as much as learning to use one.
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Post by treeslicer on Feb 7, 2023 7:16:23 GMT
I just like to keep a few spares around. When he realizes that he can't get away from the 3-foot razor blade you just slowly slipped through his antiballistic field, the look on an alien's face is priceless.
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Post by George on Feb 7, 2023 7:34:32 GMT
I just like to keep a few spares around. When he realizes that he can't get away from the 3-foot razor blade you just slowly slipped through his antiballistic field, the look on an alien's face is priceless. Haha, very "Dune."
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