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Post by AIKIGIG$ on Jan 30, 2022 18:06:08 GMT
Hallo guys. I'm new in the forum but find it very helpful for any if my questions. Thank you all for that. I have a few questions: 1. Is anybody use Kurin Shoden Shinken for tameshigiri and how sword did the job ? 2. What is the difference between Kurin and Motohara? I know that the Motohara is more expensive and I'm really inlove with their products but unfortunately for now I can't buy one because of the price. I have kurin shoden shinken which one use for iaido and just want to know with what motohara is better than kurin ?
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Post by Arlequin on Jan 31, 2022 5:18:06 GMT
I can't find any info on the sword your referencing, but I can tell you that motohara does make very nice swords with very sharp and durable blades. Their fittings are also pretty high quality and made uniquely to each sword, probably the best you can find on the market without going to a private craftsman( most of the time theres a long wait time)
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Post by Arlequin on Jan 31, 2022 5:20:58 GMT
I can't find any info on the sword your referencing, but I can tell you that motohara does make very nice swords with very sharp and durable blades that are specifically designed for tameshigiri. Their fittings are also pretty high quality and made uniquely to each sword, probably the best you can find on the market without going to a private craftsman( most of the time theres a long wait time)
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Post by AIKIGIG$ on Jan 31, 2022 6:17:50 GMT
Kurin shoden shinken was swords buy Nine circles but unfortunately they stop producing them because I think they don't understood with the smith
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Post by kaiyo on Jan 31, 2022 19:27:24 GMT
Motohara blades are made for cutting purposes including some serious upgrades to the tsuka and koshirae. The fit and finish is very good, the polish is medicore but again attention is paid to the cutting performance.
If you cannot affort a Motohara, Kurin katana is a good alternative. They also pay more attention to details and are far beyound your Hanwei katana. I think they are known for their well polished blades. Not heard about the cutting performance but i think they are more for collectors.
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Post by jyamada on Jan 31, 2022 19:35:52 GMT
Kurin/Kaneie makes (made) nice stuff for Chinese production. Good build and polish. But they are not in the same performance, build, and durability level as EB Motohara; for practitioner usage.
If you're cutting Mugen Dachi type mats, or lesser mats like soft brown wara, the Kurin should be fine for that.
When seriously looking at swords for practitioner usage, look at who (sensei, schools, practitioners) uses the swords, and their win-history in taikai competition.
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Post by vidar on Jan 31, 2022 23:04:51 GMT
I have a Kurin Shoden Tameshigiri shinken, it’s really a great sword. I think I bought the last from the stock. unfortunately, the forge has stopped apparently.
I think the polish and fit and finish is among the best of Chinese production swords. Motohara may be another step higher, but so is/was the price. I tested mine on tatami mats and it’s a great cutter.
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Post by novak77 on Feb 1, 2022 14:03:47 GMT
I can only comment on the Motohara.
The fit and finish on the Moto's is outstanding. Like no joke, the Koshirae fit and finish on my Moto, is better than my Shinsakuto’s straight out of Japan 😱.
They are heavy tho, very well balanced, but still heavy compared to my Nihonto. In all fairness, they’re purpose built for cutting, and Jason will straight up tell you all of this.
Lastly, they’ll make you whatever you want (within reason). Give them your specs, and they’ll tell you if it can be done, or how to get it close.
Cheers
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Post by jyamada on Feb 1, 2022 20:56:36 GMT
I can only comment on the Motohara. The fit and finish on the Moto's is outstanding. Like no joke, the Koshirae fit and finish on my Moto, is better than my Shinsakuto’s straight out of Japan 😱. They are heavy tho, very well balanced, but still heavy compared to my Nihonto. In all fairness, they’re purpose built for cutting, and Jason will straight up tell you all of this. Lastly, they’ll make you whatever you want (within reason). Give them your specs, and they’ll tell you if it can be done, or how to get it close. Cheers The Motoharas have 3 basic weight classes, light, med, heavy. The light class is ~ 980 - 1050 gram (2.2 - 2.3 lb). And like you said, they do a great job at balancing the swords, no matter what weight.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Feb 1, 2022 21:43:53 GMT
I owned a Kurin years ago and had nothing but good experiences with it. Fittings are done not just authentically with the right proportions but also maximize grip with menuki placement and tsuka shape. It was a real good looker for a production sword, many cheaper ones do bad acid polishes that etch away and weaken steel, here they somehow took the time to use finger stones, which doesn’t just look right but is better for sword longevity. And the most important part? It was basically a zombie sword able to take abuse like the old Wazamono tests without significant edge wear. That’s really good since some other production swords are edge wear prone. Only real downside is it’s a bit too big and heavy for my tastes. I’d gladly suggest them as a production sword and say they’re the best at their price point but unfortunately they’re out of production. You can still buy one used but then pay careful attention to condition.
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Post by novak77 on Feb 2, 2022 0:04:24 GMT
I can only comment on the Motohara. The fit and finish on the Moto's is outstanding. Like no joke, the Koshirae fit and finish on my Moto, is better than my Shinsakuto’s straight out of Japan 😱. They are heavy tho, very well balanced, but still heavy compared to my Nihonto. In all fairness, they’re purpose built for cutting, and Jason will straight up tell you all of this. Lastly, they’ll make you whatever you want (within reason). Give them your specs, and they’ll tell you if it can be done, or how to get it close. Cheers The Motoharas have 3 basic weight classes, light, med, heavy. The light class is ~ 980 - 1050 gram (2.2 - 2.3 lb). And like you said, they do a great job at balancing the swords, no matter what weight. Mine is a light weight one. I've never weighed it, but iirc, Jason said it should clock in around 1000 grams undressed. Its crazy tho, cause it doesn't really seem heavy, until I switch to a Nihonto. Again, to be totally fair, the Moto is built for cutting, and my Nihonto are def more geared towards Iai. Jason is totally a straight shooter, and will walk you through what's feasible with his swords. I beyond appreciate his honesty, and commitment to the JSA community. Cheers
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Post by AIKIGIG$ on Feb 2, 2022 9:15:30 GMT
Well I really want to buy some day soon motohara. But I want one sword for all needs and purpose. Is it possible Motohara EB to make a sword which is suitable for iaido and tameshigiri for hard targets? I practice only iaido for now but eventually I'll start practicing tameshigiri and I just want to know that my sword can be used for both purposes.
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Post by vidar on Feb 2, 2022 11:45:30 GMT
Well I really want to buy some day soon motohara. But I want one sword for all needs and purpose. Is it possible Motohara EB to make a sword which is suitable for iaido and tameshigiri for hard targets? I practice only iaido for now but eventually I'll start practicing tameshigiri and I just want to know that my sword can be used for both purposes. Sure. Ask for a blade with some Niku and a profile that’s wider at the shinogi than at the mune. This will give the edge the necessary support, add bending stiffness and still reduce some weight.
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Post by novak77 on Feb 2, 2022 14:13:25 GMT
Well I really want to buy some day soon motohara. But I want one sword for all needs and purpose. Is it possible Motohara EB to make a sword which is suitable for iaido and tameshigiri for hard targets? I practice only iaido for now but eventually I'll start practicing tameshigiri and I just want to know that my sword can be used for both purposes. IIRC, if I had gone with D2 steel, Jason could've made my sword a bit lighter. I also believe the D2 option, is geared towards hard target cutters.
That aside, I went with SGT steel, and Iai is 100% doable. As a matter of fact, I use my Moto, as my daily driver. Just don't be shocked, when you get it, and it weighs more than your Iaito lol.
Lastly, I'd get with your sensei, and have them help guide you a bit on your swords specs.
Personally, I am always pushing the limit of what I should be using. The downside is, I have to go a bit slower. The upside is, when I pickup a smaller, or lighter sword, it makes my movements seem stupid easy.
Cheers
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Post by novak77 on Feb 2, 2022 15:29:40 GMT
I'd hit up Jason from EB, and discuss what your goals are. He will walk you through what is possible, and whats not. bradc is also using a Moto for Iai, hopefully he can chime in too. Cheers
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Post by bradc on Feb 3, 2022 8:53:48 GMT
I'd hit up Jason from EB, and discuss what your goals are. He will walk you through what is possible, and whats not. bradc is also using a Moto for Iai, hopefully he can chime in too. Cheers I do have opinions I practice in an Iai school which doesn't have tameshigiri in the curriculum so I mainly use my Motohara for waza. Since picking mine up, two of my friends have also picked up Motoharas for Iai. On of the major benefits for an Iai practitioner is the level of customization. I specified the length of the kissaki for example. Most production swords are only available in a few sizes and many have quite long tsuka. The fit and finish are first rate. Nothing rattles and nothing is glued together (that shouldn't be). The koshirae are really nice and the tsukamaki is really well executed. The tsuka profile is a bit larger in diameter than most Japanese swords but I find it fits my (medium glove size) hands perfectly. They have a few blade steel options. I went with a basic L6 which looks nice enough with a simple hamon. Don't expect the asthetics of a folded/tamahagane sword and the polish is to a martial arts level. These are made to cut (and they do). In terms of use, the blade is perfectly balanced and feels very light in use. The Bohi on mine adds a very nice tachikaze. So I would say they are terrific tools for martial arts practice. Well made and balanced. For the price they are hard to beat. Here's my review of mine from 2 years ago sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/60021/motohara-l6-custom-katana
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Post by AIKIGIG$ on Feb 3, 2022 10:11:02 GMT
Can you tell me with which steel by motohara I can cut almost everything ? I want to buy motohara sword with steel that I can cut any tameshigiri targets and be calm that my sword will be perfect after that.
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Post by vidar on Feb 3, 2022 11:58:10 GMT
Can you tell me with which steel by motohara I can cut almost everything ? I want to buy motohara sword with steel that I can cut any tameshigiri targets and be calm that my sword will be perfect after that. I would take their L6 option.
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Post by novak77 on Feb 3, 2022 14:12:12 GMT
Can you tell me with which steel by motohara I can cut almost everything ? I want to buy motohara sword with steel that I can cut any tameshigiri targets and be calm that my sword will be perfect after that. I would take their L6 option. Idk if they have L6 as an option anymore. I wanted to go the L6 route, but Jason said they were out of the material, and he was unsure if they were going to restock it, or not.
Cheers
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Post by AIKIGIG$ on Feb 3, 2022 14:57:55 GMT
I would take their L6 option. Idk if they have L6 as an option anymore. I wanted to go the L6 route, but Jason said they were out of the material, and he was unsure if they were going to restock it, or not.
Cheers
Jason sent me the options and there is no L6 in stock unfortunately. I can choose from SKS3, SGT, D2, SK3 Choji, High steel speed katana and CPM3V
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