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Post by BWDuty on Sept 28, 2021 7:06:21 GMT
I've had an Albion Ringeck for a couple of years, and for too long I did not properly oil it. It was my first "real" sword. After a year or so, it developed some very minor, tiny spots of surface rust both on the blade and the quillons.
Albion recommends the use of a ScotchBrite pad and Break-Free CLP, so I purchased both in their name brands. Perhaps I just didn't use enough "elbow grease", but I scrubbed at them with the grain to no avail.
I then, in my infinite wisdom, purchased a set of woven polishing pads that can be attached to a drill. They are only about as abrasive as a ScotchBrite pad, perhaps even a bit less. I got the kind that the side of the pad can be applied when polishing, so that the rotation of the drill would go with the grain. They definitely did the job. Unfortunately they also left some very minor discoloration (it kind of looks "dull" like the final polish was taken off). I'm pretty sure I didn't cause any damage to the heat treatment, I only used it a bit at a time and I can't imagine those pads getting *that* hot anyway. It's not serious enough to even notice unless you are looking for it, or it is in sunlight. It is far less noticeable than even the tiny surface rust spots.
I then purchased another set of polishing pads that are more the consistency of cotton or microfiber. I used these both by themselves and in conjunction with the Break-Free CLP. It did help some, but I would sure like to get it back to the factory finish. It really isn't even serious enough for me to mess with sending it back to Albion. It still looks good, just "different" than the other areas. I might even just do the whole blade so that it matches.
Are there any suggestions as to a polishing substance that might restore the entire blade to a shiny finish before I do that though?
Thanks all for your time and help!
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Post by BWDuty on Sept 28, 2021 7:46:13 GMT
Thanks, I will check that out!
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Post by pellius on Sept 28, 2021 10:50:03 GMT
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Post by pgandy on Sept 28, 2021 12:41:02 GMT
It’s infinity easier to maintain a sword than to restore one however slight the damage is. I doubt seriously that you’ll match an Albion finish exactly, and if that’s what you want best to return and let Albion do their thing. If you wish to diy do the whole blade and not just the section(s) needing attention. I prefer doing such by hand with some type of backing to the abrasive rather than my fingers and not a rotary tool. I tried a rust eraser, not the brand given above, years back when I was getting started. Can’t say that I’ll do that again, at least not on a sword blade. Polishing a blade is not something that’s done in a few minutes before off to another project. Best count on several hours on your day(s) off listening to your favourite music. Good luck.
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Post by Arthur Dayne on Sept 28, 2021 23:27:13 GMT
As mentioned above it's going to take a long while with a Scotchbrite + Oil and if you're removing rust you will need to put pressure on the blade when polishing from guard to tip over & over. Don't polish just one area because it'll look strange when the blade catches light.
One thing I did that got better results using the Scotchbrite + Oil method was get a table/workbench at waist level and press down firmly using some weight with both hands when polishing from guard to tip, whole blade in one continuous stroke each time.
Use New Gray Scotchbrite pads if it looks darkened/dirty instead of trying to squeeze more use out of them.
If DIY sounds like it'll take too much of your time then sending it back to Albion for refurbishing services is always an option.
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Post by BWDuty on Sept 29, 2021 0:03:25 GMT
Thanks for all of your replies and suggestions! Somebody suggested Metal Glo so I ordered a bottle of that and was planning on polishing it with microfiber. However, even more people keep suggesting Gray ScotchBrite with oil and I know that is probably the best way to do it, so maybe I'll man up and just put some time and effort in and go that route. I think I just wasn't trying hard enough before, and I've seen blade smiths get some crazy results using buffing compounds so I thought that there just might be a trick I wasn't aware of. It really isn't *that* bad, not bad enough that I would consider sending it in to be refinished. I never plan on selling it anyway. I had to take it into natural light and hold it at a certain angle to get these pictures. I don't know why I wasn't smart enough to try the method I used on my Cold Steel first, hindsight is 20/20 I guess!
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Post by ghost on Sept 29, 2021 4:15:01 GMT
 which is the albion?...jk the left one was a heavy scuffed up va bristol from cutting. I use red dremel compound (sans dremel) with just a small amount onto towel paper and scrub straight (light thumb pressure pretty much). I probably should have wrapped cloth or the towel paper and use a small eraser or wooden block to keep the satin straighter right one is a CF borderwatch Below I spot treated an Albion tiberius; I dont think you need to refinish to a coarser or finer grit though looking at your pictures. There is a spot where you went oblique (first picture) I used mother's mag on a few pinpricks of light black rust spots then run over it entirely with the dremel compound (lightly over entire blade afterwards only takes just a few minutes) albion's original (right side) has a slightly darker glossy look - some higher polished uniformity up close might be from polished spots on a worn belt? but I am not sure on this. imo you wouldnt be able to tell unless you start deeply up close with the two side by side but i guess you can gloss it down with a few swipes of polish/mother's Deeper scuffs I left in (see the top distal ridge of the gladius) gives it character but then if you want it more pristine, to a coarser grit you need to go ![]()  
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Sept 29, 2021 22:01:19 GMT
Unless there's a significant buffer in this...I got nothing.
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Post by pgandy on Oct 1, 2021 13:28:09 GMT
I used Metal Glo paste, no liquid. That gave a bright well-polished finish and generally not to my liking. To restore I'd suggest the Scotch Brit although my only experience with Scotch Brit is with a green pad on a new kukri I was testing on brush and got into something very corrosive causing rust within 20 minutes. I tried several methods to restore and nothing was working. I then tried aluminium foil and water. I knew of the trick for years but was the first time trying it. And that worked, but I think that is not what you want in your case. I’d go with the gray Scotch Brite, oil, with a backing in your case. The other alternative and a favourite of mine is sand paper w/oil and a compressible backing, sometimes a hard backing depending. I should point out that I wouldn’t try learning this technique on an Albion.
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Post by BWDuty on Oct 4, 2021 13:55:40 GMT
I ended up trying the Metal Glo with an ultra soft buffing pad since I had already ordered it, and I'm extremely happy with the results. I took a picture in direct sunlight and I can't even tell where I had messed it up anymore! I guess you can see it a tiny bit if you hold it a certain way, but it looks a million times better than before. It really blended and it doesn't look too shiny or dull to me. I guess it was worse than I wanted to admit before, I even started considering sending it in to be refinished. 
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Post by BWDuty on Aug 4, 2022 14:45:28 GMT
I know that I'm reviving a year old thread, but I am INSANELY HAPPY right now and I wanted to share how I finally fixed this to 100% perfect.
So Albion recommends grey Scotch-Brite pads and CLP Break Free to remove surface rust and restore it to regular finish.
As the original post mentions, I tried the blue ones instead. The grey ones are just a lot more rare, and I didn't feel like messing with it since the blue ones were easily available. I figured they couldn't be *that* different. I was wrong. I did still use CLP, but it didn't matter since I was using the wrong pad. They didn't remove the rust. I then put a kind of.. I don't know how to explain it.. a pretty mild abrasive kind of woven sponge thing on my drill. That removed the rust. It also really messed up the finish and there were obvious patches of discoloration, as can be seen in the pictures above. I was able to buff it a bit using Metal Glo as mentioned above, but it still wasn't perfect. It was *better*, but I was really fooling myself when I said it was *right*. It's been bugging me for a year. So much so that when a few of my other Albions developed surface rust I was afraid to address it. I've been using Renaissance Wax to try to prevent more, but four of my nine Albions had surface rust and two were pretty bad.
I bought a box of the grey pads several months ago, but as I said I've been afraid to even try as I didn't expect it to work. I just got one out a couple days ago, and I could immediately feel that it was vastly different than the blue ones. The grey ones are absolutely perfect for removing rust. Using the grey pads (my box is item number 64660 which is 25 of them, should last me forever) and the CLP Break Free I completely removed all of the rust from every sword without damaging the finish at all. They look like new. I then cleaned them twice each with dry cloths and put a generous coat of Renaissance Wax on all of them. I've decided that I'd rather see a swirly/streaky coat of wax and know that they are very well protected, and the wax lasts a lot longer than oil.
So, I figured what the heck and I got my Ringeck down. It had a couple more tiny spots of rust anyway. Using the grey pads and CLP Break Free I was able to not only remove the rest of the rust, but buff it back to an absolutely perfect factory finish by hand. It's been bothering me so bad that I've been considering getting Albion's maintenance plan and sending them back in, which would have been ridiculously expensive with the plan and the shipping.
Bottom line -- I should have followed Albion's recommendation from the start.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Aug 4, 2022 16:22:33 GMT
Great Follow up! I bought a box of the gray pads, and have never looked back. One trick I saw was to warm the blade before applying ren wax. It spreads better, gets into the nooks and crannies, and seems to leave a nicer finish. Or I may be hallucinating. But warm does make sense.
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Post by BWDuty on Aug 4, 2022 16:35:52 GMT
Good idea! Honestly I just kind of slather it on, I should probably put a nice thin pretty coat on, but I kind of like the look and knowing that it is *really* well protected and I didn't miss any spots haha!
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Post by pgandy on Aug 5, 2022 14:40:54 GMT
Thanks for the follow up and I am glad that you got your blade back to your liking. For surface rust I use #000 steel wool and a light oil, WD-40 being my favourite. I did not mention that before as I thought you had removed the rust and was trying to restore the final polish. As for a power tool, never for me other than a belt sander. A rotary tool no-no. Metal Glo will give a bright finish that I can see why some would like. I prefer a more matt finish as that does not show scratches or flaws as readily. I would like to try gray Scotch Brite but the cost is a bit high as by the time I pay all of the import taxes and international shipping the selling price doubles and I find other methods work well enough for me. That and I understand they are equal to #00 steel wool, one grade more aggressive than the #000 that I use. And I should be able to buy #00 steel wool locally at a fraction of the price, but haven't tried.
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Post by rannh1 on Aug 5, 2022 15:24:38 GMT
I know that I'm reviving a year old thread, but I am INSANELY HAPPY right now and I wanted to share how I finally fixed this to 100% perfect. So Albion recommends grey Scotch-Brite pads and CLP Break Free to remove surface rust and restore it to regular finish. As the original post mentions, I tried the blue ones instead. The grey ones are just a lot more rare, and I didn't feel like messing with it since the blue ones were easily available. I figured they couldn't be *that* different. I was wrong. I did still use CLP, but it didn't matter since I was using the wrong pad. They didn't remove the rust. I then put a kind of.. I don't know how to explain it.. a pretty mild abrasive kind of woven sponge thing on my drill. That removed the rust. It also really messed up the finish and there were obvious patches of discoloration, as can be seen in the pictures above. I was able to buff it a bit using Metal Glo as mentioned above, but it still wasn't perfect. It was *better*, but I was really fooling myself when I said it was *right*. It's been bugging me for a year. So much so that when a few of my other Albions developed surface rust I was afraid to address it. I've been using Renaissance Wax to try to prevent more, but four of my nine Albions had surface rust and two were pretty bad. I bought a box of the grey pads several months ago, but as I said I've been afraid to even try as I didn't expect it to work. I just got one out a couple days ago, and I could immediately feel that it was vastly different than the blue ones. The grey ones are absolutely perfect for removing rust. Using the grey pads (my box is item number 64660 which is 25 of them, should last me forever) and the CLP Break Free I completely removed all of the rust from every sword without damaging the finish at all. They look like new. I then cleaned them twice each with dry cloths and put a generous coat of Renaissance Wax on all of them. I've decided that I'd rather see a swirly/streaky coat of wax and know that they are very well protected, and the wax lasts a lot longer than oil. So, I figured what the heck and I got my Ringeck down. It had a couple more tiny spots of rust anyway. Using the grey pads and CLP Break Free I was able to not only remove the rest of the rust, but buff it back to an absolutely perfect factory finish by hand. It's been bothering me so bad that I've been considering getting Albion's maintenance plan and sending them back in, which would have been ridiculously expensive with the plan and the shipping. Bottom line -- I should have followed Albion's recommendation from the start. Thanks for this update! Ultra helpful
Is this what you are talking about?
Because if so, i'll buy that immediately
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Post by BWDuty on Aug 5, 2022 16:50:50 GMT
Yep, that's the stuff! It is like magic for surface rust, when combined with oil. Entirely different texture from the common blue ones.. almost more like brass wool, but more gentle. I forget what I paid, but the link provided seems a bit steep. It's about half that price on Amazon, as well as a few other retailers when I Google "64660 scotch brite".
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Post by BWDuty on Aug 5, 2022 23:40:14 GMT
Thanks for the follow up and I am glad that you got your blade back to your liking. For surface rust I use #000 steel wool and a light oil, WD-40 being my favourite. I did not mention that before as I thought you had removed the rust and was trying to restore the final polish. As for a power tool, never for me other than a belt sander. A rotary tool no-no. Metal Glo will give a bright finish that I can see why some would like. I prefer a more matt finish as that does not show scratches or flaws as readily. I would like to try gray Scotch Brite but the cost is a bit high as by the time I pay all of the import taxes and international shipping the selling price doubles and I find other methods work well enough for me. That and I understand they are equal to #00 steel wool, one grade more aggressive than the #000 that I use. And I should be able to buy #00 steel wool locally at a fraction of the price, but haven't tried. Thanks for the reply! I definitely learned that power tools are a bad idea, as is being lazy trying to maintain a collection that I am so proud of haha. As for steel wool, have you considered brass wool instead? I do not know if it would be better for swords, but I can assume so because it is my go-to for maintaining firearms. Still removes surface rust on them very well, but is a bit less harsh than steel wool. It is my understanding that brass wool is beneficial for this type of application because it doesn't "shed" as much as steel, and even if it does the tiny slivers of brass won't rust which if left on metal would lead to even more rust (with steel wool). I've also heard that brass doesn't scratch steel as much, since it isn't as hard of a material. I've always used it on both my blued and stainless firearms. I still recommend the grey scotch brite pads personally after being so impressed by them, but thought I'd throw that out there for consideration.
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Post by eastman on Aug 6, 2022 1:47:54 GMT
Great Follow up! I bought a box of the gray pads, and have never looked back. One trick I saw was to warm the blade before applying ren wax. It spreads better, gets into the nooks and crannies, and seems to leave a nicer finish.Or I may be hallucinating. But warm does make sense.
I received the same advice for Ren Wax from the curator of the Arms & Armor collection at the Art Institute of Chicago
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Post by pgandy on Aug 6, 2022 3:08:02 GMT
Thanks for the reply! I definitely learned that power tools are a bad idea, as is being lazy trying to maintain a collection that I am so proud of haha. As for steel wool, have you considered brass wool instead? I do not know if it would be better for swords, but I can assume so because it is my go-to for maintaining firearms. Still removes surface rust on them very well, but is a bit less harsh than steel wool. It is my understanding that brass wool is beneficial for this type of application because it doesn't "shed" as much as steel, and even if it does the tiny slivers of brass won't rust which if left on metal would lead to even more rust (with steel wool). I've also heard that brass doesn't scratch steel as much, since it isn't as hard of a material. I've always used it on both my blued and stainless firearms. I still recommend the grey scotch brite pads personally after being so impressed by them, but thought I'd throw that out there for consideration. I have not tried brass wool although for really stubborn caked on rust I have used brass, I think twice, in the form of a key as that was the only brass available to me and worked with limited success and without damage. But that rust was extremely stubborn thick. I do not believe brass wool is available and will have to be imported. As for #000 w/lubricant I find not harmful to finishes including firearms. I used to collect and had many antiques firearms in my collection and that’s what I used. I tried #0000 when the #000 was not available but that did not work as well as the #000. I believe the trick is using a lubricant. And if the gray Scotch Brite is equal to #00 steel wool #000 should be less abrasive.
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Post by rannh1 on Aug 29, 2022 10:51:52 GMT
I ended up buying from here instead - hope its the same thing, says 64660 too 
Yep, that's the stuff! It is like magic for surface rust, when combined with oil. Entirely different texture from the common blue ones.. almost more like brass wool, but more gentle. I forget what I paid, but the link provided seems a bit steep. It's about half that price on Amazon, as well as a few other retailers when I Google "64660 scotch brite".
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