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Post by randomnobody on Aug 22, 2022 0:23:53 GMT
...so the knife i own from CS isn't actually a CS knife, just sold by them? Now I'm wondering who really made it, just did some searching and i couldn't find anything about it being made from another manufacturer. If I'm understanding correctly, their knives are made in various places from China to Taiwan and so on, but they are Cold Steel designs and made under the Cold Steel brand. Cold Steel's swords have been made a few different places, too. At one point, I think it was Huanou (I've butchered that because it's been a while since I've seen the name, but the same outfit known to make Dynasty Forge) who made their katana (and Chinese?) lines. There's been some back-and-forth that their swords are possibly windlass or an offshoot. Still, while nothing is manufactured at Cold Steel HQ, Cold Steel is still the owner of the designs and so on. |
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Post by Kane Shen on Aug 22, 2022 0:43:25 GMT
Hah, I got one two weeks ago but didn't notice the screw nut until I saw the review. I just removed it, the tang exceeds the grip a bit, then follows the threaded rod. The pommel is keyed on the real tang, so it's a good construction. The grip is not removable, probably epoxied. Cold Steel is not a forge but a retailer, but my experience is that their specs made the swords one class better than typical Windlass swords. I also have a new generation Erbach which has all the typical Windlass problems that the Cold Steel has not, heavy, blade heavy, no distal taper and less hollow grind. Also my CS 1860 saber, which is in principle a Windlass 1840, has a better blade than my Windlass 1860 Officers. Unfortunately I don't have a Windlass 1840 for a direct comparison. Oh i never knew that about Cold Steel..so the knife i own from CS isn't actually a CS knife, just sold by them?
Now I'm wondering who really made it, just did some searching and i couldn't find anything about it being made from another manufacturer.
It’s not by “another manufacturer”. Cold Steel is not a manufacturer itself. Their medieval, Chinese and Japanese swords are made by Huanuo Forge based in Shanghai, their sabers, military swords, Indian, Persian and SEA swords are made by Windlass in India, their knives, axes and polearm heads are made in Taiwan (earlier models used to be made in Japan), and machetes are made in South Africa. |
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Post by Kane Shen on Aug 22, 2022 0:53:27 GMT
Hah, I got one two weeks ago but didn't notice the screw nut until I saw the review. I just removed it, the tang exceeds the grip a bit, then follows the threaded rod. The pommel is keyed on the real tang, so it's a good construction. The grip is not removable, probably epoxied. Cold Steel is not a forge but a retailer, but my experience is that their specs made the swords one class better than typical Windlass swords. I also have a new generation Erbach which has all the typical Windlass problems that the Cold Steel has not, heavy, blade heavy, no distal taper and less hollow grind. Also my CS 1860 saber, which is in principle a Windlass 1840, has a better blade than my Windlass 1860 Officers. Unfortunately I don't have a Windlass 1840 for a direct comparison. Yeah they do acquire existing models from manufacturers that they work with and modify them (CS German longsword is a Dynasty Forge Duelist with enlarged S-guard with an added side ring, CS Competition Cutting Sword is a Windlass Arbedo with slightly longer blade and a bit more distal taper and an elongated grip and scentstopper pommel, etc). Windlass has always been meh on their designs and their attention to detail so far is basically on par with Deepeeka except they generally would keep an eye for the overall weight and point of balance to be not out of bound though how a sword handles goes way beyond its weight and PoB (hope the Easton/Royal Armouries will turn out to be a positive change for them). CS also allows Windlass to go off their contract designs to create their own in-house product line. The Windlass Battlecry line is just a bunch of swords from Cold Steel’s MAA line but with swapped parts (they swapped the MAA Italian longsword with the MAA Hand-and-a-Half Sword’s blade and pommel and just call them new models of their own, on top of just blackening a few existing models like the Classical Medieval Sword and give it a new name). It’s funny once you give each a new name (usually named after historical battles) and a facelift people would be happy to pay 50% more for the same steel bar with the same handling and construction problems. The Men-At-Arms line at CS was created due to Huanuo Forge’s inability to fulfill the popular demands of CS’s medieval swords and so they give the designs to Windlass to create “budget models” without the distal taper and with the lesser fit and finish(shhh, most people that buy from CS wouldn’t notice the differences anyway). |
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Post by armizare9 on Aug 22, 2022 1:44:29 GMT
...so the knife i own from CS isn't actually a CS knife, just sold by them? Now I'm wondering who really made it, just did some searching and i couldn't find anything about it being made from another manufacturer. If I'm understanding correctly, their knives are made in various places from China to Taiwan and so on, but they are Cold Steel designs and made under the Cold Steel brand. Cold Steel's swords have been made a few different places, too. At one point, I think it was Huanou (I've butchered that because it's been a while since I've seen the name, but the same outfit known to make Dynasty Forge) who made their katana (and Chinese?) lines. There's been some back-and-forth that their swords are possibly windlass or an offshoot. Still, while nothing is manufactured at Cold Steel HQ, Cold Steel is still the owner of the designs and so on. Aha..many thanks appreciate it! 
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Post by armizare9 on Aug 22, 2022 1:48:52 GMT
Thanks Kane Shen that was great to read and know. I tried to multi-quote my reply but i couldn't figure it out sorry.  |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Aug 22, 2022 2:25:31 GMT
I'm filling the gap of the screw on nut with liquid iron epoxy to make it look rather like a peen.
I couldn't remove the grip so the only sense of the nut is to tighten the hilt if it becomes loose after cutting.
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Post by Kane Shen on Aug 22, 2022 16:29:54 GMT
I'm filling the gap of the screw on nut with liquid iron epoxy to make it look rather like a peen. I couldn't remove the grip so the only sense of the nut is to tighten the hilt if it becomes loose after cutting. Interesting. Looking forward to seeing how it holds up. |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 11, 2022 17:04:52 GMT
Here the screw filled with epoxy as a fake peen.  |
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Post by carbon on Sept 12, 2022 17:36:46 GMT
Here the screw filled with epoxy as a fake peen. Nice job Andi!
Great review and a lot of good info in this thread.
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Post by armizare9 on Sept 13, 2022 10:52:42 GMT
Here the screw filled with epoxy as a fake peen. Nice work looks good.  |
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Post by pgandy on Sept 16, 2022 16:48:51 GMT
Hah, I got one two weeks ago but didn't notice the screw nut until I saw the review. I just removed it, the tang exceeds the grip a bit, then follows the threaded rod. The pommel is keyed on the real tang, so it's a good construction. The grip is not removable, probably epoxied. Cold Steel is not a forge but a retailer, but my experience is that their specs made the swords one class better than typical Windlass swords. I also have a new generation Erbach which has all the typical Windlass problems that the Cold Steel has not, heavy, blade heavy, no distal taper and less hollow grind. Also my CS 1860 saber, which is in principle a Windlass 1840, has a better blade than my Windlass 1860 Officers. Unfortunately I don't have a Windlass 1840 for a direct comparison. Oh i never knew that about Cold Steel..so the knife i own from CS isn't actually a CS knife, just sold by them?
Now I'm wondering who really made it, just did some searching and i couldn't find anything about it being made from another manufacturer.
I have CS machetes made in China, now they buy from Africa if the haven't moved their source again. The current ones are better than the Chinese made machetes. When CS came out with their Samshir there was a controversy as to whether Windlass was making blades for them. Eventually someone found a CS Shamshir with Windlass’ logo almost but not completely polished out. So not only were they using Windlass as a manufacturer but actually using Windlass’ Shamshir blades made for Windlass’ Shamshirs. |
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