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Post by Arlequin on Jul 30, 2021 22:19:09 GMT
But that katana could cut clean through the machine gun! Another reason I had to leave motohara, Jason refused to fold my blade with 10 trillion layers! Anything less is unnacceptable, If I can't slice atoms whats even the point
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Post by JH Lee on Jul 31, 2021 0:52:32 GMT
We now live in a bizarre world where it is easier and faster (though more expensive) for a law abiding US citizen to lawfully buy a suppressed machine gun than a custom katana from a reputable smith. These are strange times indeed. What kind of asinine bullcrap are you spouting? A suppressed machine gun? In the US? "Easier and faster"?
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Post by karl j on Jul 31, 2021 1:59:48 GMT
We now live in a bizarre world where it is easier and faster (though more expensive) for a law abiding US citizen to lawfully buy a suppressed machine gun than a custom katana from a reputable smith. These are strange times indeed. What kind of asinine bullcrap are you spouting? A suppressed machine gun? In the US? "Easier and faster"? Where is this place in the US, I'll move there immediately. You want a custom katana from a reputable smith, bring money I can name a few smiths that are working. Huawei is not a custom smith
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Post by Arlequin on Jul 31, 2021 2:27:25 GMT
What kind of asinine bullcrap are you spouting? A suppressed machine gun? In the US? "Easier and faster"? Where is this place in the US, I'll move there immediately. You want a custom katana from a reputable smith, bring money I can name a few smiths that are working. Huawei is not a custom smith I'm open to suggestions. $3,500 is my absolute limit though.
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Post by tera on Jul 31, 2021 2:59:14 GMT
What kind of asinine bullcrap are you spouting? A suppressed machine gun? In the US? "Easier and faster"? Where is this place in the US, I'll move there immediately. You want a custom katana from a reputable smith, bring money I can name a few smiths that are working. Huawei is not a custom smith As always, consult legal counsel. I am not a lawyer, etc. Your State Law may vary, but Silencers, Machine Guns, Short Barreled Shotguns, etc. are Federally legal and regulated under the National Firearms Act. Thanks to SilencerCo and the SilencerShop there now exist kiosks in some Class III dealers to help you understand and complete the necessary paperwork. E-Filed Form 4s and Form 1s had been coming back in as few as a couple of weeks in the early phases of the pandemic, they are probably still being approved in less than a year. So, yes, until they change the law, such purchases are legal under the National Firearms Act of 1934: www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/national-firearms-actBecause only machine guns made and registered with the Federal Government prior to May of 1984 may be transferred to civilians, they are all expensive but there are always some for sale. Silencers (suppressors), however, can be made new and you can get a quality unit from a variety of manufacturers for under $1k (cost varies on construction and caliber rating). I recommend silencersarelegal.com as an introductory primer, and the silencertalk.com forums for wisdom from the community that lawfully own and collect such things. In short, despite the cost and paperwork, it sounds like some people are waiting longer for even Huawei customs than they might have to for an MG or suppressor. Another helpful link: www.silencershop.com/blog/post/suppressor-laws-by-state
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Post by JH Lee on Jul 31, 2021 17:00:54 GMT
The fact that you reference NFA and the 1986 bans on machine guns+grandfathered exceptions changes absolutely nothing.
You wildly exaggerate when you make such a stupid assertion that any part of firearms purchase, registration, and ownership involving said types of guns, especially in the current political climate, is even remotely faster or easier than getting a custom sword made.
Either you are fortunate to live in one of a small handful of states where you have never run into both routine legal and bureaucratic obstacles and are actually speaking from firsthand experience as a seasoned collector (while remaining somewhat oblivious to the actual situation on the ground elsewhere in the US), or you are a leftist troll who wants to perpetuate the tired lie about how easy(?!) it is for people to purchase a gun/any type of gun.
I know I'm coming down pretty hard on you in a thread about a Chinese production sword--NOT a "custom" sword in the way that term should be understood--but people spreading misinformation about the erosion of 2A, whether intentionally or not, is something that really irks me to say the least.
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Post by tera on Jul 31, 2021 17:28:55 GMT
Please, there is no need to be rude. I meant offense to no one and cited US law only to show the truth of my claim, which was tersely dismissed. I even provided helpful links so people could research the topic independently.
And yes, I live in one of many States that allows ownership of all NFA regulated items. There are multiple class III dealers in my city and at least one range sells and rents machine guns (renting for use in their range only, of course). The paperwork process for purchasing is not nearly as intimidating as it seems, class III dealers help explain the process, and after you have done it the first time it is no big deal to do it again. As for personal experience, in the past I spent a few years working in Firearms Operations for a major national firearms retailer.
Last I checked, suppressors are legal in the vast majority of US States (again, provided you follow the NFA process) and, yes, I have personally spoken with people who E-Filed ATF Form 4s to receive ownership of suppressors via an NFA Trust who were approved in less than 1 month.
I never said MGs were cheap. In fact, I specifically said they are expensive and limited in quantity (for civilian transfer). The intent of my statement was that at a FEDERAL level, it can be quicker and easier to buy such things than the wait times and customs confiscations people are reporting from Chinese sword vendors.
Now, States and Localities can enact their own laws that are more strict, but that doesn't change anything. While some states have passed more restrictive laws, others have gone the other way with moves like Constitutional Carry. 2nd Amendment Freedoms do vary wildly depending if you live in a metropolis like NY, LA, DC, Chicago, etc. or in an average city in a permissive state.
I am sorry you are upset, and I don't intend to comment on politics. I was merely making an observation based on my experience watching the NFA process that what I have dubbed the 'swordpocalypse' has produced a more stressful and time consuming purchasing process than the NFA process. So, I hope we can continue on-topic with no more personal insult or ire. We are all on the same team here.
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Post by JH Lee on Jul 31, 2021 17:42:31 GMT
I apologize, Tera.
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Post by tera on Jul 31, 2021 18:06:38 GMT
Thank you, JHLee. To meet you half-way there is a significant point I missed that supports your argument that it is not easy for 'anyone' to purchase a firearm in the US. If you go to work in the business of selling Firearms, you go through training on applicable law and how the ATF wants things done. One point is if you feel a potential purchase is "off" in any way you, the lowly sales clerk, have the power to shut it down. This includes straw purchases, purchases by persons you believe to be under the influence, purchases where you have reason to believe they have intent to commit a crime, etc. To that end, I denied a lot of sales in my day. There is nothing that could have compelled me to make a sale I was uncomfortable with. I had the full backing of my employer and the Federal Government (in the form of the ATF) when doing so. That's above and beyond the mandatory NICS check. I have a statement on file with our State police about a fellow with an abnormally large amount of knowledge about and fascination with school shootings who eventually asked me point-blank, in my personal opinion "what weapon would be best to do that with?" NOPE, NOPE, NOPE. We got LEOs involved and potentially prevented another tragedy. Believe me, this guy was OFF and even let slip it was a straw for a high school aged minor. So, in that sense, yes there are cases where a random clerk may decide you don't feel legit and actually have the power to arbitrarily prevent an entire business from working with you in the firearms world. Sword orders are largely click-to-order deals and they leave compliance to law up to you. In the end I think we are both right for different reasons. I'm hoping things settle down in both of those hobbies and return to a smoother situation.
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Post by Arlequin on Aug 23, 2021 8:04:31 GMT
Hello all, after some research I think I've got an idea for what i want, heres is a draft sheet for what I plan to send to jacky(or another smith) Please let me know what you think, I'm particularly want critiques on how balanced(or not) you think it may be.
Hello Jacky, hope all is well despite worldy events. I would like a qoute for a custom Katana build, here are the specs:
Nagasa/blade length- 31 inches with choji hamon and vibrant boshi
Bohi Length- Double Bohis 15 inches from the habaki above the shinogi
Sohi length- 20 inches from the habaki below the shinogi
Motohaba- 3.5 cm
Motokasae- 0.7cm
Sakihaba- 3 cm
Sakikasane- 0.5cm
Nakago length- 11 inches, Mei on the nakago
Sori- 2cm Koshisori
O-kissaki- 6.3 cm with Real Geometric yokote
Tsuba- 11.5 inches
Mekugi ana- 2
Copper habaki and seppa
RedWood Shirasaya Tsuka and Saya with Wine gloss finish
Water quenched blade
Note-Tsuka must be able to be removed for maintenance
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Post by Arlequin on Aug 23, 2021 8:19:36 GMT
Some extra notes, Initially I wanted a 2.5cm sori(1 inch),however I decided to bring it down to 2cm as the koshi sori already makes the blade a little akward to wield, plus google hasn't been helpful in finding me historical koshisori blades with exact measurements so I can actually see what a 1 inch sori would look like. I also wanted a laminated blade (kobuse/sanmai), however I haven't seen any laminated blades advirtised on their website(I vagually remember one on the ebay page) and dont want to over complicate the order.
I'm also still debating on how wide I want the blade, initially I wanted it to be 3.65-3.7 cm at the motohaba so its more inline with the PPKXL, but with the added length it might make the blade to heavy, ya think that extra cm will make a huge difference to the balance?
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Post by alientude on Aug 23, 2021 14:13:19 GMT
Without commenting on the stats you're looking to get (I'm not nearly experienced enough with either katana in general or HuaWei specifically), I'm pretty sure you don't want an 11.5 inch tsuba!
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Post by alientude on Aug 23, 2021 14:26:15 GMT
Without commenting on the stats you're looking to get (I'm not nearly experienced enough with either katana in general or HuaWei specifically), I'm pretty sure you don't want an 11.5 inch tsuba! Can you imagine the hand protection though.
It's the bucklatana!
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Post by alientude on Aug 23, 2021 14:56:17 GMT
That would certainly make more sense than my interpretation.
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Post by Cottontail Customs on Aug 23, 2021 15:01:23 GMT
I'm guessing that was supposed to be tsuka.
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Post by paulmuaddib on Aug 23, 2021 17:55:23 GMT
The similarity of terms was one of the things that was hard for me when I first started studying. Tsuka, tsuba. Mekugi, Menuki. The Ks, kissaki, kashira, koiguchi and kurigata weren’t quite as bad. My problem is I have a really bad ear (and mind) for foreign languages, especially auditory but even spelling.
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Post by Arlequin on Aug 23, 2021 22:58:29 GMT
Without commenting on the stats you're looking to get (I'm not nearly experienced enough with either katana in general or HuaWei specifically), I'm pretty sure you don't want an 11.5 inch tsuba! I'm a big man with big hands that need guarding 'Tude
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Post by Arlequin on Aug 23, 2021 23:05:46 GMT
Jokes aside I wrote this up at 3 in the morning lol. I actually noticed the typo but I guess i forgot to fix it. Naturally I meant Tsuka, this is a shirasaya. Oddly enough I do plan on having a larger than normal(atleast for modern production swords) Tsuba made, I have a few craftsman in mind who should be able to completely remount the blade, tho I may still have it rewrapped after the fact lol. I also thought about asking them to put two slashes in the tsuka like a zatoichi sword, but eh, don't want to spend too much on the fittings since its going to be replaced. Pic related is the Tsuba design I have mind, I was thinking silver plating on the rim and with gold on the "teeth" coming out of the waves.
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Post by Arlequin on Sept 7, 2021 17:11:58 GMT
Hi all, final update. Officially commisioned Hauwei last night. Communication with Jacky thus far has been pretty crisp despite the complaints, though I know the real test begins now lol. Final price was $700 usd, which seems pretty fair for all the details I had. The cost to fully mount will range from 900-1400, The main factor being if I like the Saya it comes with enough to not order a new one, and if I have a new tsuka core made(most likely). Overall going through Huawei instead of Motohara Saved me little over $1000 and (i hope lol) I think I'll be happier with the final result.
Final spec sheet below.
Nagasa/cutting blade length- 32 inches with choji hamon and vibrant boshi
Bohi Length- Double Bohis 12 inches from the habaki above the shinogi
Sohi length- 20 inches from the habaki below the shinogi
Motohaba- 3.6 cm
Motokasae- 0.75cm
Sakihaba- 2.9 cm
Sakikasane- 0.55cm
Nakago length- 11 inches, Mei on the nakago
Sori- 2.2cm Koshisori
O-kissaki- 2.5 inches with Real Geometric yokote
Tsuka- 11.5 inches
Mekugi ana- 2
Copper habaki and seppa
RedWood Shirasaya Tsuka and Saya with Wine gloss finish and Carved into Octagon geometry
Buffalo Horn Koiguchi and end cap
Water quenched blade
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Post by joe_meadmaker on Sept 9, 2021 0:30:26 GMT
That's great man! I hope everything works out with it.
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