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Post by The Blue Knight on May 30, 2021 17:21:35 GMT
Some of you may recall I own a sword made by Baltimore Knife and Sword that is named Nightmare. I bought the sword second hand, it was shipped to me disassembled, and upon reassembly the tang snapped on me. When I sent it back to BKS for repairs, I documented how horrible my experience with them was in this thread: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/56622/issue-manufacturer-final-update
Subsequently, I have let the sword hang on my wall like the sword of Damocles for about two years now. The hilt furniture is beautiful, the scabbard the previous owner made is really nice, and it has given my office space some visual interest. Last night I arrived at a fateful decision: I have decided to give the sword new life and intend to repurpose the blade. Nightmare will live on in name and infamy, but she will wear some new duds.
I removed the hilt components yesterday and intend to either sell them on or keep them around for a project in the future. The blade was never long enough for a proper two handed sword anyway, so it's no big loss. I intend to transform Nightmare into a Medieval arming sword.
Today, I ordered some new hilt furniture. I am going for a simple cruciform style with a wheel disc pommel. I also shortened the tang today and cleaned up the polish on the blade. I did my best to remove the mustard patina from the blade. I got most of it off with 400 grit wet and dry sandpaper, but it still persists. I will either keep sanding, or may elect to put a flat patina on the sword. I will document the build in this thread.
What I am currently contemplating is what sword type this blade is. Here are some stats and photos. Any thoughts?
Blade length: 36 inches Blade width: 2 inches at the base, tapers to 3/4 inch at the tip Blade thickness: 5mm at the base, 4mm in the middle, 3.5mm at the tip. Blade weight: 844g (bare blade) Steel type: Unspecified. Blade has excellent spring, good temper!
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Post by nddave on May 31, 2021 5:11:12 GMT
Looks like it would pass as a Type XIIa or XIIIa, leaning more towards XIIa due to the profile taper.
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Post by The Blue Knight on May 31, 2021 12:57:37 GMT
I suppose I could always shorten the blade near the tip if it's too long for an arming sword.
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Post by mrbadexample on May 31, 2021 15:09:11 GMT
I wouldn’t. There are examples of similar length. It would be an outlier, but not without precedent.
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Post by The Blue Knight on May 31, 2021 15:18:08 GMT
I wouldn’t. There are examples of similar length. It would be an outlier, but not without precedent. I probably should have asked myself more questions before I hacked off the tang. If I had left a few extra inches, I could have a proper type XIIa. As it stands, it can't be a type X or XI because the profile tapers too much. It can't be a type XII because of the taper as well. Definitely makes more sense as a XIIa.
I can't build a two handed sword with a tang that's only 7.5 inches now, can I? How about a hand and a half sword? Would a longer grip be a good idea in this case? It could be wielded with one hand with a longer grip (say, 5.5 inches), while leaving room to hold the grip/pommel in the other for a two handed strike.
What do you think? Long grip? Short grip?
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Post by paulmuaddib on May 31, 2021 17:47:30 GMT
Don’t know much about euros but you could get the tang extended if you wanted. Jeffrey Robinson showed his method on a thread. Tried looking for it but couldn’t find it. Maybe you’ll have better luck if you decide to look.
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Post by The Blue Knight on May 31, 2021 17:54:41 GMT
It may handle really well as a one-handed sword. The fittings should come within the next week. So we shall see.
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Post by Alan Schiff on Jun 1, 2021 20:10:59 GMT
I'd call it a type XII or XIIa based on the fuller length and profile taper. As you said, I think it would be best to see how it feels with the new hilt components before deciding on a single-hand or longer grip length.
If you do decide the longer grip is necessary, there are a couple ways to lengthen the tang. It's beefy enough that it could be forged longer without compromising durability. Or an extension could be welded on.
Hope that helps, Alan
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Post by Kane Shen on Jun 9, 2021 22:35:32 GMT
That’s a mostly a type xiia the so-called “grete swerde of war”, although the average type xiia has a slightly more acute tip. If you shorten the tang, it might pass for a type XI cavalry sword.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 22:39:00 GMT
I also think it's an XIIa. That's one short tang tho
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Post by The Blue Knight on Jun 9, 2021 23:52:35 GMT
That’s a mostly a type xiia the so-called “grete swerde of war”, although the average type xiia has a slightly more acute tip. If you shorten the tang, it might pass for a type XI cavalry sword. That's what I was hoping for. Would you buff out the ridge and make the tip spatulate?
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Post by Kane Shen on Jun 10, 2021 0:26:27 GMT
That’s a mostly a type xiia the so-called “grete swerde of war”, although the average type xiia has a slightly more acute tip. If you shorten the tang, it might pass for a type XI cavalry sword. That's what I was hoping for. Would you buff out the ridge and make the tip spatulate? It’s certainly doable. Wouldn’t have to be too spatulate, too. Just slightly more rounded than it is now.
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Post by The Blue Knight on Oct 22, 2022 22:54:50 GMT
I have rather significant updates to share on this build.
First, I made the fateful decision to chop off six inches from the length of the sword. I explored the possibility of elongating the tang, but I was uncomfortable undertaking that job on my first try. Furthermore, after experimenting with potential hilt fittings, I determined the sword would be unbalanced as a one handed sword if the blade remained in tact. This is just my opinion based on my handling of the sword, so I am not discounting that keeping the sword blade in tact would have resulted in a bad sword. I just decided to go with my gut instinct based on my personal preferences.
This is the tip of the sword blade after removing six inches and reprofiling the tip. The fuller terminates at the tip at a diagonal angle, which is a bit wonky, but I don't mind little quirks like that.
The fittings I chose are a Style I guard and a wheel pommel. I was going to buy Printed Armoury fittings, but it is simply taking too long for the new vendor to list the items on their webpage. I don't believe this is currently their fault, but I need to move forward with this project. To make the guard, I used a bar of steel I bought from a mill, which measures 10 inches long, 0.75 inches wide, and 0.50 inches high. I have always wanted a Medieval sword with a super long guard, so this is a bit of wish fulfillment.
Below is what the fittings looked like after I milled the slots to fit them over the tang. I like the proportions of these fittings and the length of the guard provides superior hand protection.
Today, I went to work on the bar of steel with an angle grinder and belt sander to shape the guard into something boat-shaped. The Gaddhjalt sword was my inspiration. The quillons are 6mm wide at both ends. I used about 6 sanding belts on the guard alone.
I also took an angle grinder to the tang in order to ensure a good fit and taper it down a bit. I finished the work with a belt sander.
Lastly, I used a belt sander to reprofile the edges of the blade. Despite being made by a reputable smith, the blade had really pronounced secondary edge bevels. I sanded the shoulders down. This will, of course, require me to repolish the entire blade all over again. Say a prayer for my fingers.
Below is the current state of the sword. The point of balance is 4.75 inches from the hilt. Once I add a wood grip and wrap it with cord and leather, I reckon the balance will shift a little more. My fittings are not fit perfectly. As you can see the slot in the guard is a bit wonky, but that's because yours truly is a novice at this stuff. I can make adjustments to ensure a good fit in the end with things like epoxy and JB Weld compound.
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Post by The Blue Knight on Oct 23, 2022 20:47:41 GMT
Another Update
Today, I worked on getting the shoulders of the sword blade recessed into the guard. Unfortunately, my fit with the tang is a bit loose and the sword rattles. It's not ideal, but plenty of surviving swords show this kind of shoddy work, so I will live with it. I'm going to need to use some shims and JB Weld compound to secure the guard onto the blade when I move onto my assembly, but the blade will need to sit properly within the guard.
I used a series of tools on my dremel to create the slot for the guard. It's not perfect, but once again, there are many surviving swords that look just like this. In particular, the slot for the shoulders is pretty shallow. You see lots of guards like this from the Medieval period.
Next, I worked on a preliminary polish on the guard and the blade. Next week, I will finish the polish on the blade with some steel wool and Mothers Mag compound. I will also use higher grit emery cloth on the guard. After next weekend, all that will be left to do is create a wood core for the grip, wrap it with cord, and then we're really in business here.
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Post by The Blue Knight on Oct 24, 2022 23:05:23 GMT
You have more skill at this work than you give yourself credit for, bro! Thank you, sir.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Oct 25, 2022 12:03:02 GMT
A question. Is the fuller slightly off, or are the pics misleading? I love your work so far, and rehilting your monster is a great idea.
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Post by The Blue Knight on Oct 25, 2022 12:34:06 GMT
A question. Is the fuller slightly off, or are the pics misleading? I love your work so far, and rehilting your monster is a great idea. Thanks very much.
The fuller IS slightly off, specifically where it begins at the tang and where it terminates at the tip. The blade has a few quirks, but it has fantastic temper and nice spring.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Oct 25, 2022 20:39:05 GMT
No worries, I just don't trust my eyes as much these days... 
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Post by The Blue Knight on Nov 13, 2022 23:48:21 GMT
Penultimate Update
After polishing the fittings with some emery cloth and polishing up the blade with steel wool and polishing paste, I created a grip for the sword out of two pieces of maple. I decided to opt for bookmatched scales instead of drilling through a block of wood. I've always had more success with carving than boring. Once the ends were carved, I glued them together with a quick setting epoxy. When that cured, I sanded the grip into shape and prepared to peen the sword.
This was a critical juncture for me. In hindsight, I was far more concerned with the task in front of me than the tasks to come. It would have been better if I blued the hilt fittings, wrapped the grip in cord and leather, and THEN peened the pommel onto the tang. I would have avoided several awkward stages of the build.
For starters, bluing the fittings when they are unmounted is a lot easier, and I can always touch up the pieces once they are fitted. Also, wrapping the grip with cord and leather would have been much easier prior to peening and would have avoided all sorts of mess with glue.
Below is what the grip looked before I peened. I was so concerned that the grip would crack during the peening process, but it withstood the full force of my hammering. It really wasn't the issue I thought it would be.
Once the sword was peened, I decided to wrap the grip with cord and THEN with leather. Many Medieval swords are believed to have this style of construction, and I think the cord underlay has many benefits. For one, it strengthens the wood grip. Also, it creates a nice cushion beneath the leather wrap to attain a really soft and comfortable grip.
This is what the grip looked like at this stage. Please notice that I also set lab created emerald cabochons into brass bezel cups into the pommel by this stage.
After the cord wrap was complete, I wrapped the grip in veg tan leather, and secured the leather with another cord wrap, which has the added effect of creating an impression of cord in the leather.
Once everything cured, I dyed the leather and applied leather conditioner.
... And then I removed the leather and cord underlay.
Why? The grip was too thick. Here's what I've learned. You need to start small. If you are satisfied with the thickness of the wood grip PRIOR to adding any other layers, then you need to reduce the thickness even more. One layer of cotton cord adds anywhere between 0.5mm to 1mm thickness on either side of the grip, potentially increasing the thickness to 2mm. These many layers quickly add up. Once I added the cord wrap underlay, I was satisfied with the thickness at that stage. This should have told me to go back and reduce the thickness of the wood grip.
Removing the leather was not too difficult. Removing the cord underlay was one of the most tiresome tasks I've ever performed. All the glue I used to fit the leather wrap caused the cord underlay to stiffen. Any crack to the grip caused by use would have definitely been held together by the cord underlay. To remove the cord, I used a razor, a chisel, and a box cutter to remove the cord. My fingers ached afterwards. They ached too much to take pictures of my progress.
Once this was complete, I decided I could not wrap with cord two more times, so I omitted the cord underlay and went directly to leather. I also did not want to reduce the wood grip any further because it was installed into the tang and it would potentially scuff up my fittings.
Final update to come shortly...
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Post by The Blue Knight on Nov 14, 2022 0:44:27 GMT
Final Update
When the sword was nearing completion, I had some aesthetic choices to make. One of them was to decide on a color palette. I purchased lab created emerald cabochons to set into brass bezel cups, which I intended to set into the recesses of the wheel pommel. The sword was previously named Nightmare, and I thought green would be a great color to compliment the sword's namesake.
I was inspired by the below image from Hitchcock's masterpiece, Vertigo. Green is a great color for nightmares.
In keeping with the green theme, I dyed the leather grip with a shade from Angelus leather dye named "Jade." I chose the color because it had a lot of blue in it, rather like emeralds.
The hilt fittings I blued with Permablue paste. I've had great success with it since Brother Nate recommended it a while back.
Lastly, I reevaluated the name of the sword. Nightmare is a fairly modern English word, with the root being an old Norse word, mare. Mare refers to Norse demons that cause bad dreams. They sit on top of you while you sleep and fill your mind with harrowing images and thoughts. You know that feeling of being paralyzed in fear while you sleep? Scientifically, that's your brain releasing hormones to keep your body immobilized while you rest. Our Norse ancestors attributed that feeling to mare creatures.
There's another creature in the Icelandic sagas that are similar. They are witches, male or female, but usually female. Hags. Hags who ride on the backs of wolves by moonlight. They seek out homesteads and fill the minds of others with bad dreams while they sleep. The Icelandic word for these witches is Kveldriða, or...
Night-Rider
I named the sword using the Elder Futhark runes and etched them onto the blade using an electroetching machine.
The sword is now complete.
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