|
|
Post by wlewisiii on Nov 15, 2020 12:46:11 GMT
OP: 1) I do not consider anything less than 6mm to be sporting for deer or other game animals. 2) I would not consider hunting for even a black bear with less than 2000 ft/p of energy. .243 Winchester, .257 Roberts would be practical minimums to me. A good low recoil hunting cartridge remains the 7mm mauser (7x57) with a 139 gr. soft point. .30-30 & .30-40 are also good. I intend to hunt this fall with my Krag carbine in .30-40 unless I decide to take my CZ Mauser carbine in 7x57 instead  |
|
|
|
Post by Lord Newport on Nov 15, 2020 15:28:48 GMT
OP: 1) I do not consider anything less than 6mm to be sporting for deer or other game animals.
2) I would not consider hunting for even a black bear with less than 2000 ft/p of energy. .243 Winchester, .257 Roberts would be practical minimums to me. A good low recoil hunting cartridge remains the 7mm mauser (7x57) with a 139 gr. soft point. .30-30 & .30-40 are also good. I intend to hunt this fall with my Krag carbine in .30-40 unless I decide to take my CZ Mauser carbine in 7x57 instead Thank you for addressing this issue correctly and being the first to bring up ft/p of energy as a determinant factor. In the hands of "most" people, hunting with under powered firearms, like many bow hunters, produces needless pain and suffering for the animals as they are not killed instantly with accurate shots with sufficiently powerful weapons. I like and approve of hunting as long as the animals are taken as humanly as possible. Wounded animals that don't drop and die immediately from well placed shots with rounds of sufficient caliber are a disgrace to the sport. |
|
|
|
Post by Curtis_Louis on Nov 15, 2020 18:56:32 GMT
On a side note, is that a Catahoula in your avatar?
|
|
|
|
Post by Lord Newport on Nov 15, 2020 23:48:19 GMT
Lord Newport, I wonder what your thoughts are on Bowhunting then? Because in bowhunting, medium game or larger is almost never going to be dropped on the spot. Barring a headshot. I have seen a video of a grizzly being dropped on the spot with a headshot out of a bow but that is a super rare occurrence. Yeah, I am not a fan. |
|
|
|
Post by Lord Newport on Nov 16, 2020 0:41:03 GMT
This may be disregarded as an argument from antiquity. But... To be fair... It has only been done for literally 1000's of years. I am not sure that heavy hemorrhaging, sapping them relatively quickly is NECESSARILY worse then being annihilated with a magnum rifle caliber for example and having their insides turned into jelly. Just because they drop doesn't mean they are dead right away and no longer feeling anything. But I respect your opinion. For most all of those 1000's of years, bow hunting was done to survive and feed your family / tribe etc and was the ONLY, most efficient option. That is no longer the case and it is now done only for sport, often by hunters bored with rifle but who have yet to master the stalk and efficient kill. If it was a subsistence issue, one would use a gun to have a much higher success rate. My issue is not the animal that runs 50ft and drops, its the many animals that run and need to be tracked or are never found... |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 3:00:40 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Lord Newport on Nov 16, 2020 16:53:26 GMT
On a side note, is that a Catahoula in your avatar? No, I don't think it looks even close to a Catahoula (leopard dog). She is a Chesapeake Bay Retriever...Coloring is known as "Sedge" however most "Chessie's" are dark brown.  |
|
|
|
Post by Curtis_Louis on Nov 16, 2020 18:53:33 GMT
Very nice looking pup! I couldn't tell from the smaller pic.
I have a young female Catahoula and keep seeing them around lately.
|
|
|
|
Post by Lord Newport on Nov 16, 2020 22:46:26 GMT
Very nice looking pup! I couldn't tell from the smaller pic. I have a young female Catahoula and keep seeing them around lately. I had never heard of the breed until you mentioned it here... Very cool dog. Both of our dogs are "American" breeds!  |
|
|
|
Post by Curtis_Louis on Nov 17, 2020 0:30:52 GMT
  She loves prowling the pond. |
|
|
|
Post by Lord Newport on Nov 17, 2020 0:49:30 GMT
She loves prowling the pond. Good looking pup. I love brindle coloring. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 8:30:48 GMT
When we talk about .223 and 5.56 both are identical in shape. In fact, we can load a .223 in a 5.56 chamber and both cartridges are widely used in AR guns. So the question is. Is it possible to hunt big games like a Bear or Deer in any of these cartridges or? Is there any step by step AR 15 build guide for Hunting purpose? Check state laws. Some states actually do prohibit the use of the .223 and 5.56 on deer. Last I knew of, Michigan was such a state. Though the .223 and 5.56 can be used in firearms chambered for the other, you get better efficiency out of each firearm by using the cartridge for which the rifle was specifically made for. Both utilize the same bullets but their casings are different and head space differently. |
|
|
|
Post by Murffy on Apr 29, 2021 17:52:20 GMT
FYI - I know in Minnesota it's legal to hunt big game with a .223. The rule is any centerfire cartridge .22 caliber or larger. So rounds like .22LR or .22 Magnum would not be legal for deer because they're rimfire. In any case, I don't think there's anybody I know who hunts who would recommend a .223 for deer hunting. I wouldn't.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 5:04:21 GMT
OP: 1) I do not consider anything less than 6mm to be sporting for deer or other game animals.
2) I would not consider hunting for even a black bear with less than 2000 ft/p of energy. .243 Winchester, .257 Roberts would be practical minimums to me. A good low recoil hunting cartridge remains the 7mm mauser (7x57) with a 139 gr. soft point. .30-30 & .30-40 are also good. I intend to hunt this fall with my Krag carbine in .30-40 unless I decide to take my CZ Mauser carbine in 7x57 instead Thank you for addressing this issue correctly and being the first to bring up ft/p of energy as a determinant factor. In the hands of "most" people, hunting with under powered firearms, like many bow hunters, produces needless pain and suffering for the animals as they are not killed instantly with accurate shots with sufficiently powerful weapons. I like and approve of hunting as long as the animals are taken as humanly as possible. Wounded animals that don't drop and die immediately from well placed shots with rounds of sufficient caliber are a disgrace to the sport. I one hundred percent agree. That is why I would never use a 5.56×45 NATO, .223 Remington or smaller for deer. A rabbit sure. But not deer. For bear I want .416 Rigby or bigger. Nor would I ever hunt with a handgun. I am not accurate enough with handguns for hunting with them. |
|
Things have changed!