|
|
Post by JonSchwertFechter on Mar 29, 2020 12:15:19 GMT
Seeking Info.( and availability hopefully;) ) of an Old and AFAIK Long Discontinued Cold Steel Piece- it Def. Appeared to be Slim(I believe "Goose-Quill" Dao) though in an a quite old catalog(about 2004) not too long after their sword line- minus the existing Japanese offerings -First came unto 'the scene' in general.-- In the Catalog though they Marketed/Labled it as a "Chinese Saber"- I can try and find a Photo if necessary but need assistance on this one Little to no info. on the net . Thanks Jon
|
|
|
|
Post by Turok on Mar 31, 2020 21:16:37 GMT
Do you mean the "Willow Leaf" that Cold Steel had in their catalogs? It's technically a nuiweidao or the oxtail saber. I don't recall them ever introducing any other Chinese saber at the time.  I believe their Chinese line of swords is contracted by Huanou of Shanghai. If your looking for a goose-quill saber then check Kult of Athena or Seven Stars Trading. |
|
pgandy
Moderator
Senior Forumite
Posts: 10,296
|
Post by pgandy on Mar 31, 2020 22:15:27 GMT
|
|
stormmaster
Member
I like viking/migration era swords
Posts: 7,714
|
Post by stormmaster on Mar 31, 2020 22:21:29 GMT
didnt CS get alot of their chinese pieces from the same forge Dynasty forge uses, might wanna check with them
|
|
|
|
Post by JonSchwertFechter on Mar 31, 2020 23:55:16 GMT
Turok,Pgandy.Stormaster- thanks to you all for replying:
Im afraid thats not It... Im definitely familiar with the 'Ox-tail; nuiwei DAo"- and the difference there. No, it was def.either a Goose-Quill or a blade style along that vein- and the catalog from way back in 2004 called it "chinese Saber" as there designation.-- I will dig out the catalog and post a pic to help tonight.
will post back soon
|
|
|
|
Post by Tomt24 on Apr 1, 2020 0:18:01 GMT
Turok,Pgandy.Stormaster- thanks to you all for replying: Im afraid thats not It... Im definitely familiar with the 'Ox-tail; nuiwei DAo"- and the difference there. No, it was def.either a Goose-Quill or a blade style along that vein- and the catalog from way back in 2004 called it "chinese Saber" as there designation.-- I will dig out the catalog and post a pic to help tonight. will post back soon You could use a internet archive to look up the old coldsteel website. |
|
LeMal
Member
Posts: 1,180
|
Post by LeMal on Apr 1, 2020 0:34:05 GMT
From a Special Project (CS) #34, Fall 2007. A Willow Leaf and a Bagua, the two handed version. I don’t know if this will help. I had to split because of file size. REALLY wish I'd picked up one of each back in the day. As I've said recently, Cold Steels are rarely discussed as project blades for rehilting, but I would've loved to turn the oxtail into a messer or falchion and the bagua into a kriesmesser or 2H falchion. (I'm turning the CS nodachi into a heavy kriegsmesser as is.) |
|
pgandy
Moderator
Senior Forumite
Posts: 10,296
|
Post by pgandy on Apr 1, 2020 1:34:15 GMT
Hind sight is great. I wasn’t interested in sabres when available but you don’t know how much I wish I’d picked up a Windlass M1906 when available.
|
|
|
|
Post by Turok on Apr 1, 2020 1:54:49 GMT
Turok,Pgandy.Stormaster- thanks to you all for replying: Im afraid thats not It... Im definitely familiar with the 'Ox-tail; nuiwei DAo"- and the difference there. No, it was def.either a Goose-Quill or a blade style along that vein- and the catalog from way back in 2004 called it "chinese Saber" as there designation.-- I will dig out the catalog and post a pic to help tonight. will post back soon Glad to help! Cold Steel is notorious for giving inaccurate names and descriptions to their weapons! The fittings on their Chinese swords are a little too garish for martial arts use. Huanou or Dynasty Forge are operated by Fred Chen. I'm pretty sure the sword you're looking for is identical to the ones still being offered at Kult of Athena. Maybe with slightly different fittings and marketing hype! I personally recommend the Hanwei Cutting Dao by Scott Rodell. It's sleek, svelte, and well designed. A nice classic luiyedao with no-nonsense fangshi fittings. |
|
|
|
Post by pellius on Apr 1, 2020 2:50:31 GMT
I’ll second the recommendation for the Hanwei SMR Cutting Dao for performance and cutting.
I waited for this sword to be released for years, and really like the end product now that it’s available, especially since it is currently offered at pre-Hanwei price hike prices.
It is fast and precise with good presence. The fittings and scabbard are simple but elegant, and the grip lacing is nicely grippy to the hand and very firm to the hilt. The 5160 blade has a nice spring temper. My experiences with Hanwei 5160 have been very positive.
I would add, though, that the blade finish is, to put it nicely, a low satin with that characteristic Hanwei “ropey” texture. The blade is thin in cross section, likely relying on the well-tempered modern steel and the broad profile for strength in cutting. The blade has a high ridge with some “niku.” This is likely a good thing for cutting and for swordplay.
However, to me, the blade’s geometry leans way into katana/wakizashi territory, feeling and looking a lot like a thin but broad mat cutting specialist. Adding to this impression is the non-recurved hilt, which is well executed but kinda throws me in feel and appearance. Again, it feels to me like a nice no hi unokubi o-wakizashi with furniture in the Chinese style.
Not bad in any way - I really like the sword. But if you are specifically looking for a liuyedao, make sure these details are acceptable to you.
It does feature a hex-nut hilt assembly, so rehilting it as a project blade may be pretty straightforward. I have not disassembled mine, so I don’t know the tang shape.
On another note, the various Dynasty Forge/Chen dao have been “backordered” for a long time. SST seems to have given up on ever restocking, because they removed the DF listings from their website and started offering Hanwei’s niuweidao instead. The DF dao may be gone forever...
Happy hunting.
|
|
|
|
Post by JonSchwertFechter on Apr 1, 2020 12:32:28 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by JonSchwertFechter on Apr 1, 2020 12:39:04 GMT
Good points Turok; and Thanks for all that extra valuable info. Pellius. I will reply more later this evening. Hopefully these pix should enable someone to remember/ reach out a find at least one of these( and figure if somehow Coldsteel was sourcing this somewhere else)- as it was supposed to be "there own brand" as it was obviously presented as such -though I'm well am aware they've always outsourced most of the actual manufacturing of said pieces- this was supposed to be CS official piece like most all of their swords/offerings..lol
|
|
|
|
Post by JonSchwertFechter on Apr 1, 2020 12:40:43 GMT
see its a rather Nice piece ;) Ive always thought- and there have to be a few out there/ a number of folks who remember.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jussi Ekholm on Apr 1, 2020 13:09:38 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by JonSchwertFechter on Apr 1, 2020 13:28:34 GMT
Thank you much Jussi. That is most helpful.- and the Huanuo is pretty darn close ( more than enough that I would be happy picking one of these up)
|
|
|
|
Post by pellius on Apr 1, 2020 17:07:10 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Jordan Williams on Apr 3, 2020 17:55:23 GMT
Hind sight is great. I wasn’t interested in sabres when available but you don’t know how much I wish I’d picked up a Windlass M1906 when available. You can find originals for less sometimes on eBay. If you need a shipping surrogate I'm always happy to help out. Here's one for example www.ebay.com/itm/164146562623Just needs new wire and leather |
|
pgandy
Moderator
Senior Forumite
Posts: 10,296
|
Post by pgandy on Apr 3, 2020 20:14:08 GMT
Hind sight is great. I wasn’t interested in sabres when available but you don’t know how much I wish I’d picked up a Windlass M1906 when available. You can find originals for less sometimes on eBay. If you need a shipping surrogate I'm always happy to help out. Here's one for example www.ebay.com/itm/164146562623Just needs new wire and leather Thanks Jordan. But at the moment I’m not buying any swords/knives and such that I suspect in the least would raise an eyebrow sending me through the red tape and various departments getting approval. Aside from the risks I have no idea if they will be open or the individual for the signature I need will be there. As Hazel was on an errand this morning I asked her to check the PO, am looking for my tax return it’s been mailed, only to find it closed. I think the bank is closed, I couldn’t rise them on the phone and Hazel says they will be closed next week. |
|
|
|
Post by JonSchwertFechter on Apr 4, 2020 3:21:21 GMT
Back to the topic of the Dao--- So what other sources for Huanuo??- cant seem to find much by way of availability (FOr New from a retailer anyway)-- I should Probably open another "Wanted": thread specifically asking for the/A Huanuo Model Dao --YanMAo or Liuye or as "goose-quill"... thoughts?
|
|
stormmaster
Member
I like viking/migration era swords
Posts: 7,714
|
Post by stormmaster on Apr 4, 2020 4:15:54 GMT
|
|
