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Post by MOK on Mar 10, 2020 21:52:34 GMT
Also, as far as the flu argument, when did the flu start a world recession? 1918?
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Post by Lord Newport on Mar 10, 2020 22:32:52 GMT
China tried to contain the virus and immediately informed WHO. Just the facts... www.marketwatch.com/story/how-the-coronavirus-spread-around-the-world-so-rapidly-and-what-we-can-learn-from-missteps-made-in-those-critical-early-days-2020-03-04A timeline of events in the early stages of the COVID-19 outbreak Dec. 1: The first known patient to have contracted the virus is identified in Wuhan, according to a boots-on-the-ground investigation by a group of Chinese researchers published in the medical journal The Lancet. “None of his family members developed fever or any respiratory symptoms. No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases,” they wrote. Dec. 18: Ai Fen, the head of the emergency department at Wuhan Central Hospital, says shenoticed an elderly man with a lung infection, high fever and flu-like symptoms. Late December: A Wuhan doctor posts in a WeChat group that there were seven cases of what he describes as SARS connected to the food market. At the behest of the local Communist party office, he later signs a document at a local police station saying he made an error. Dec. 31: Authorities inform the WHO China Country Office of cases of pneumonia of unknown etiology (unknown cause) detected in Wuhan. Jan. 1: The food market in Wuhan, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, closes for environmental sanitation and disinfection. WHO requests further information from China. Jan. 7: Chinese scientists say they’ve identified a new virus that, like SARS and the common cold, belongs to the coronavirus family. Chinese President Xi Jinping issues orders to contain the new coronavirus, according to Qiushi, the official Communist party magazine; previous reporting by Chinese state media gave Jan. 20 as the date the president issued those orders. Jan. 11: China announces the first known death from the coronavirus: a 61-year-old man who had bought food at the Wuhan market. WHO receives “detailed information” from Chinese authorities that there is “no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission” linked to coronavirus cases found. Jan. 15: Wuhan’s health commission releases a statement: “The possibility of limited human-to-human transmission cannot be ruled out.” Jan. 18: An annual potluck banquet is held for 40,000 families from a city precinct in Wuhan. Wuhan’s mayor said 5 million people left the city before travel restrictions were imposed ahead of the Lunar New Year. Jan. 20: Chinese officials say the coronavirus, which initially spread from an animal or animals to people, can be transmitted through human-to-human contact. Jan. 23: Public transport on buses, trains and ferries in Wuhan are suspended from 10 a.m. local time to help prevent the spread of the virus. Jan. 24: WHO says it’s too early to declare a “public-health emergency of international concern,” its highest alert. Coronavirus makes its first official appearance in Europe, with French authorities confirming three cases of the virus. Australia confirms four people with the virus. Jan. 25: Pared-down Lunar New Year celebrations begin with many of the festivities canceled. Jan. 29: The New England Journal of Medicine says: “There is evidence that human-to-human transmission has occurred among close contacts since the middle of December 2019.” Jan. 30: As the virus spreads internationally, the WHO’s Tedros declares the coronavirus a public-health emergency of international concern. Feb. 2: The first official death from COVID-19 outside of China is reported in the Philippines: a 44-year-old Chinese man who arrived in Manila from Wuhan. Feb. 7: Dr. Li Wenliang, 34, the doctor who first sounded the alarm on the virus in an online chat group with other doctors, dies. The hospital where he worked makes the announcement.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Mar 10, 2020 22:56:36 GMT
Probably 1 Covid death means 300-1000 infected persons. What does that say about US statistics or disease control? Sooo much better than China?
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Post by bebut on Mar 11, 2020 0:11:46 GMT
What made this bug different is that it has a long incubation period and most people who get it have common symptoms that they may not recognize as something serious. It also hit at a time when millions of Chinese were on the road for a major holiday. A bad set of circumstances, but now the cat is out of the bag and it will be easier to control. Not saying it will be easy and reports say 3 to 9 months to contain it.
This video gives some info on the probable origins-wildlife farming/smuggling and unsanitary markets.
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Post by Lord Newport on Mar 11, 2020 0:15:05 GMT
Probably 1 Covid death means 300-1000 infected persons. What does that say about US statistics or disease control? Sooo much better than China? I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this post..Can you elaborate?
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Mar 11, 2020 0:20:15 GMT
China gov tried to deny the problem in its own country first, US gov obviously does too. The reason to avoid panic is ok. A high death rate at the beginning is just a sign of incompetence.
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Post by joe_meadmaker on Mar 11, 2020 0:37:56 GMT
This is one of the best breakdowns giving an all-around picture of the Coronavirus that I've seen yet.
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Post by Lord Newport on Mar 11, 2020 0:42:14 GMT
China gov tried to deny the problem in its own country first, US gov obviously does too. The reason to avoid panic is ok. A high death rate at the beginning is just a sign of incompetence. How has the US government been denying the problem? Seems to me they been reporting the number of cases of known/confirmed infection and deaths pretty accurately so far. They are working hard to track down contacts of potential infection too. China sat on information for almost two months so the US and the ref of the world have had little time to prepare...
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Post by wlewisiii on Mar 11, 2020 0:49:40 GMT
There is no reason not to take any infectious disease seriously and no harm in taking precautions. Well you waste your time worrying about it I have better things to do with my time. All you have to do is the same things you do to avoid a cold or the flu like wash your hand and don't touch your eyes, nose and mouth until you do. Keep your immune system strong and avoid being in large crowds in big cities. Like I said no problem for me. Realistic estimates are 500,000 dead in the U.S. You don't have to like the truth but no amount of Faux news will change it. The incompetence of the administration will kill more than the flu. We can practice hygiene and exercise and keep our families away from large groups and gatherings to try and hold that number down. If you're religious, pray.
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Post by Lord Newport on Mar 11, 2020 1:26:39 GMT
Well you waste your time worrying about it I have better things to do with my time. All you have to do is the same things you do to avoid a cold or the flu like wash your hand and don't touch your eyes, nose and mouth until you do. Keep your immune system strong and avoid being in large crowds in big cities. Like I said no problem for me. Realistic estimates are 500,000 dead in the U.S. You don't have to like the truth but no amount of Faux news will change it. The incompetence of the administration will kill more than the flu. We can practice hygiene and exercise and keep our families away from large groups and gatherings to try and hold that number down. If you're religious, pray. Why the incompetence of the administration?
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Post by strigoil on Mar 11, 2020 1:41:27 GMT
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Post by edelweiss on Mar 11, 2020 2:06:49 GMT
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Post by MOK on Mar 11, 2020 2:18:38 GMT
Drop the political aspect and I won't have to close the thread.
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Post by MOK on Mar 11, 2020 2:19:21 GMT
That Rogan video is better than I expected, BTW - mainly because he has the good sense to shut up and let the actual epidemiologist talk (that's Michael Osterholm, who's been trying to call attention to the need to prepare for this exact kind of thing for years).
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Post by edelweiss on Mar 11, 2020 2:32:25 GMT
What's it like in Finland as far as travel and quarantine?
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Post by nerdthenord on Mar 11, 2020 3:19:22 GMT
Listen folks, the stuff is dangerous. Hardly apocalyptic but still serious. No amount of tough guy bad attitude is going to help if you get it. Please take it seriously. I remember just last month saying here how overblown it was, but I admit I was wrong. It’s scary and it needs to be taken seriously.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Mar 11, 2020 5:37:51 GMT
In the begining I only thought about the risks for my own health and those I consider still low, like a heavy cold or the flu. But I learned about the risks for the old and ill people without vaccination. My parents are 93 and 92 so and I don't want to infect them. At least the things everybody can do are not very demanding, don't panic, use brain, wash hands (and quit smoking  ).
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Post by MOK on Mar 11, 2020 10:59:38 GMT
What's it like in Finland as far as travel and quarantine? None of that, so far, just some canceled events and strongly discouraged travel destinations, and one school has suspended classes for a time after one of the kids was confirmed infected. Last I checked there were 40 cases in the country. No panicked TP hoarding, either...
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Post by edelweiss on Mar 11, 2020 11:15:48 GMT
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Post by bebut on Mar 11, 2020 12:31:54 GMT
As an aside, I think when this is over we will rethink how we treat the annual fly epidemic. It is a lot of unnecessary carnage. Mandatory shots will not go over well in the US, but legislation for testing/isolation/self-isolation will not go over well with the business community, either. And plan on airport screenings as the new normal.
Also, on the numbers, I read another estimate of 60% illness X 7.7 B people X 1% death rate = 45 million dead.
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