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Post by wiwingti on Aug 2, 2008 20:55:54 GMT
hey guys(girls) my first ito wrap. i took of the ito on one of my unlike katanas and now, want to show you the disaster. i received some kind of nylon ito and it doesn't stay where i place it lol. it slides everyway so, take care be sure before trying it because i am stock with that till i find the right way to do it lol. i am sure you will laugh and,,i am right now. look at this i am still continuying practicing but, as i said, be sure before unwrapping it lolllllllll marc
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2008 21:43:02 GMT
Well, after undoing a properly done wrap, all you can do with the ito is to throw it away. It'll be impossible to do the wrap with it again, at least on the same sized handle. Other than that, nylon isn't really the best material for this and i'm not surprised it's moving around.
I'd say, either get some cotton / silk ito and do the wrap yourself after some lecture on how to do it ( i'm pretty sure all the links are listed somewhere on the forum, someone else will probably provide you with one, i'd check out sticky threads in all the forums if you can't wait ) or send it to someone to get it wrapped.
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Post by wiwingti on Aug 2, 2008 21:52:53 GMT
i know that silk is the best to do it but, when i bought it, it was suppose to be silk, and as i can see now from what you say,, i do not have silk lollll. anyway, i am having fun now trying and trying again. thanks marc
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2008 22:08:57 GMT
Look like you do it really loose. I would undo it again and pull it very tight as you go. You shouldn't have much left at all at the end.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2008 22:10:21 GMT
I'd suggest contacting whomever you purchased the Ito from. If it was supposed to be silk, and isn't, then you've been defrauded.
Second, the style of wrapping you've done, whatever it is, isn't a very tight one. I can tell by the look of the folds/twists/whatever that the Ito wasn't pulled taught during the course of the wrap. This leaves a loose Itomaki, as well as an ugly one since the edges of the Same panels are exposed.
I suggest removing the Ito and trying a more simply Itomaki style. Go slowly, keep everything tight and uniform. If you still have issues with movement, it's historically known for some Tsuka to have laquered Ito. The cord was soaked in laquer, after being tied, to solidify it. This was make for a VERY solid wrap, though it will be unchangeable without destroying it, and will feel much different in the hand.
If it isn't silk, as you claim, and you plan to do this with your current Ito, test a small piece first. If it is a manmade substance like nylon, it may react badly to clear laquer/varnish/whatever. If it melts on contact, you know it's a bad idea.
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Post by wiwingti on Aug 2, 2008 22:15:05 GMT
Look like you do it really loose. I would undo it again and pull it very tight as you go. You shouldn't have much left at all at the end. it is really really tight lol i had difficulty to pass a pin under it to knots it I'd suggest contacting whomever you purchased the Ito from. If it was supposed to be silk, and isn't, then you've been defrauded. Second, the style of wrapping you've done, whatever it is, isn't a very tight one. I can tell by the look of the folds/twists/whatever that the Ito wasn't pulled taught during the course of the wrap. This leaves a loose Itomaki, as well as an ugly one since the edges of the Same panels are exposed. I suggest removing the Ito and trying a more simply Itomaki style. Go slowly, keep everything tight and uniform. If you still have issues with movement, it's historically known for some Tsuka to have laquered Ito. The cord was soaked in laquer, after being tied, to solidify it. This was make for a VERY solid wrap, though it will be unchangeable without destroying it, and will feel much different in the hand. If it isn't silk, as you claim, and you plan to do this with your current Ito, test a small piece first. If it is a manmade substance like nylon, it may react badly to clear laquer/varnish/whatever. If it melts on contact, you know it's a bad idea. the seller is,yes again, ryan katana. i kow now since i am here to take care of swords sellers on ebay lol. he doesn't even answer my mails,,,because he knows i am right,, and i think that , from what i wrote him, that i am mad really mad at him lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2008 22:26:08 GMT
Don't feel too bad. I've attempted some tsukamaki myself in the past, and it turned out much worse than yours. ;D Again, it's a matter of practicing until you get it right. Keep trying.
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Post by wiwingti on Aug 2, 2008 22:28:49 GMT
Don't feel too bad. I've attempted some tsukamaki myself in the past, and it turned out much worse than yours. ;D Again, it's a matter of practicing until you get it right. Keep trying. i know that, and thanks. but this thread was to say to every one who didn't try it before to take very good care before trying it on a real tsuka. i was ok on a piece of wood but turned out that it is a lot hard on the tsuka due to the fact that it is a litle round, i mean it is not square.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2008 22:33:22 GMT
Perhaps a bokken is a good place to start.
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Post by wiwingti on Aug 2, 2008 22:33:22 GMT
i was watching the video again. i was wraping opposite way that i was suppose lolll
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2008 22:36:11 GMT
but this thread was to say to every one who didn't try it before to take very good care before trying it on a real tsuka. Good advice! I tried wrapping a wooden axe handle that's about the same size and shape as a tsuka, but a tiny bit flatter. Before I could really get good at it though, I became interested mainly in European swords again. ;D I do plan on trying it again in the future, though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2008 3:17:37 GMT
Hey, at least you tried. Keep practicing and eventually you may get pretty good at it.
I will be beginning a tsukamaki-shi apprenticeship sometime soon, and i know it will be a deep learning experience.
Thanks for posting, +1 to you
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Post by wiwingti on Aug 3, 2008 16:03:04 GMT
the trick is to fold it the right way guys lol. i did it again and it is getting better.
the final knots are very hard lol.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2008 16:48:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2008 21:12:48 GMT
Are you using hishigami?
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Post by wiwingti on Aug 3, 2008 21:31:35 GMT
hishigami,,,, is that your dog's name? kidding what is that man? lolllllllllllll
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2008 21:36:04 GMT
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Post by wiwingti on Aug 3, 2008 21:42:31 GMT
oh yes ,,,that is helpfull. now i understand what to do with those litle pieces of paper lol
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Post by jasmineleaf on Aug 4, 2008 2:04:51 GMT
To be honest, that's not entirely that bad! I think with a little practice you're going to be great at wrapping Itos. Truthfully, I think a lot of your lack of success comes from the fact that you're using a very odd material for your wrap instead of using traditional silk / cotton or even Leather.
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Post by wiwingti on Aug 4, 2008 7:30:52 GMT
thanks that is what i will buy
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