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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 19, 2019 22:28:38 GMT
OOOOOH NOOOOO, tell me it's not a double bladed axe. It's not is it ? It is isn't it ? Excuse me, and please remember i dont know too much: whats the problem with a double bladed axe? Double blade axes are mainly fantasy, not saying none ever existed but they were more work axes. Can you picture a not to bright executioner swinging back and catching himself right in the forehead ? When you picture a double bladed axe you see one of these things which are not practical and pure fantasy. Why does Holg have some ? He does doesn't he ?
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Dec 19, 2019 22:39:33 GMT
They are fine for a lumberjack. Not an optimal design for a weapon though. Hm. All of the czech smiths have lots of double head designs, and they all say its historic of course. Would you please explain the problem? I am sure have seen double headed war axes from greece and minoan culture in museums; and didnt the romans have them too? I mean, hollywood, sure, but in movie/tv you see them all the time? Is that completely wrong for medieval? The Minoan labrys was a religious symbol, not a weapon. Almost all pre-modern double-bitted axes I have seen served either ceremonial roles, or were primarily tools. For a tool, two axe faces can make a lot of sense. You can have two different edge profiles while carrying a single tool, or have a spare edge for when one becomes too dull for the work being performed. Axes which are dedicated weapons (not just a tool serving as a weapon of opportunity), have different design criteria. Such a weapon will ideally be cutting into human tissues, which is much easier than wood. The blades of combat axes tend to be substantially thinner and lighter than axes meant for cutting wood (there are obvious exceptions, but we are speaking in generalities here). A combat axe should have just enough mass to get its job done, with no extra weight to cause unnecessary slowness, extension, or fatigue. A supernumerary blade only serves to provide unneeded mass, with no real benefit. There are examples of battle axes with a spike on the opposing face, but those serve to provide an armor penetrating option for the wielder, and are usually lighter than a second axe face.
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Post by Dandelion on Dec 19, 2019 22:56:07 GMT
Excuse me, and please remember i dont know too much: whats the problem with a double bladed axe? Double blade axes are mainly fantasy, not saying none ever existed but they were more work axes. Can you picture a not to bright executioner swinging back and catching himself right in the forehead ? When you picture a double bladed axe you see one of these things which are not practical and pure fantasy. Why does Holg have some ? He does doesn't he ? We have ONE of this things... its from ArmsArmor/Kasto. Attachments:
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Post by Dandelion on Dec 19, 2019 22:59:26 GMT
Hm. All of the czech smiths have lots of double head designs, and they all say its historic of course. Would you please explain the problem? I am sure have seen double headed war axes from greece and minoan culture in museums; and didnt the romans have them too? I mean, hollywood, sure, but in movie/tv you see them all the time? Is that completely wrong for medieval? The Minoan labrys was a religious symbol, not a weapon. Almost all pre-modern double-bitted axes I have seen served either ceremonial roles, or were primarily tools. For a tool, two axe faces can make a lot of sense. You can have two different edge profiles while carrying a single tool, or have a spare edge for when one becomes too dull for the work being performed. Axes which are dedicated weapons (not just a tool serving as a weapon of opportunity), have different design criteria. Such a weapon will ideally be cutting into human tissues, which is much easier than wood. The blades of combat axes tend to be substantially thinner and lighter than axes meant for cutting wood (there are obvious exceptions, but we are speaking in generalities here). A combat axe should have just enough mass to get its job done, with no extra weight to cause unnecessary slowness, extension, or fatigue. A supernumerary blade only serves to provide unneeded mass, with no real benefit. There are examples of battle axes with a spike on the opposing face, but those serve to provide an armor penetrating option for the wielder, and are usually lighter than a second axe face. That was a little bit hard to read but very interesting, thanx. The one we have has the taper thing on both sides, is rather thin but quite heavy. Our Poleaxe (?) is much lighter while having a long shaft.
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Post by Scott on Dec 20, 2019 4:11:31 GMT
Excuse me, and please remember i dont know too much: whats the problem with a double bladed axe? Double blade axes are mainly fantasy, not saying none ever existed but they were more work axes. Can you picture a not to bright executioner swinging back and catching himself right in the forehead ? When you picture a double bladed axe you see one of these things which are not practical and pure fantasy. Why does Holg have some ? He does doesn't he ? Double edged agricultural billhooks were nicknamed widowmakers because people tended to catch themselves with the backswing. A single edged one will still hurt, probably be embarrassing too, but won't end up wedged in your forehead.
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Post by Dandelion on Dec 20, 2019 5:31:47 GMT
Well i can imagine blocking a strike or so with the shaft, and then getting pressed back by your stronger opponent. While the one blade is facing him, he is getting more comfortable wih pushing your weapon back, while the other blade... ah, yes. Hm.
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Post by MOK on Dec 20, 2019 5:43:07 GMT
Two blades good - four blades better! (Courtesy of Dungeons & Dragons 3rd edition. And with the right character build, by the letter of the rules you could even dual wield Orcish double axes...) But yeah, double-bitted battle axes are almost unknown in the European context, and extremely rare elsewhere as well. The only European ones I've seen are in Medieval manuscript illuminations. Having a blunt poll or spike instead of another blade just gives you so much more functionality.
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Post by Dandelion on Dec 20, 2019 16:17:29 GMT
This hobby is SO disenchanting (i googled that, sorry if wrong)... I will never be able to play a Skyrim Dragonborn with a BIG doubleead battleaxe again!
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 20, 2019 16:40:55 GMT
Double blade axes are fine with slaying dragons. Imaginary weapons to kill imaginary enemies. Now watch someone here try to tell me that dragons really exist. Using a double blade axe in real combat would almost be as bad as using this.
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Post by MOK on Dec 20, 2019 17:34:42 GMT
Double blade axes are fine with slaying dragons. Imaginary weapons to kill imaginary enemies. Now watch someone here try to tell me that dragons really exist. Depends on the dragon! The Saint George one, for example, in all likelihood was in fact a very real giant monitor lizard - quite possibly a literal Komodo dragon.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 20, 2019 18:19:30 GMT
Well I take a lot of stories in the bible with a grain of salt. Okay a bucket loader full of salt. Now you can't say dinosaurs because there wasn't any double bladed axes or swords for that matter back then. Or even man for that matter.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 20, 2019 18:39:04 GMT
Well I take a lot of stories in the bible with a grain of salt. Okay a bucket loader full of salt. Now you can't say dinosaurs because there wasn't any double bladed axes or swords for that matter back then. Or even man for that matter. Somehow I don't remember St. George slaying a dragon in the Bible.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Dec 20, 2019 19:23:07 GMT
Well I take a lot of stories in the bible with a grain of salt. Okay a bucket loader full of salt. Now you can't say dinosaurs because there wasn't any double bladed axes or swords for that matter back then. Or even man for that matter. Somehow I don't remember St. George slaying a dragon in the Bible. Look again. It's between the chapter where the Huns invade the Neo-Persian Empire, and the chapter with the painstakingly detailed list of all the contractors and their respective subcontractors which were hired to add an atrium to Saint Peter's Basilica.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 20, 2019 19:26:39 GMT
Shows how much bible reading I do. Yeah so there Jordan, what Zen said.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 20, 2019 19:30:51 GMT
Somehow I don't remember St. George slaying a dragon in the Bible. Look again. It's between the chapter where the Huns invade the Neo-Persian Empire, and the chapter with the painstakingly detailed list of all the contractors and their respective subcontractors which were hired to add an atrium to Saint Peter's Basilica. Ahhh, a few chapters before the crusades? Can't believe I missed it.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 20, 2019 19:38:17 GMT
I always had a hard time getting past where it said. Bible. Somehow I knew it was going to tell me not to do things I really wanted to do. Besides I survived one year of Catholic school, those nuns were brutal.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Dec 20, 2019 19:45:39 GMT
I always had a hard time getting past where it said. Bible. Somehow I knew it was going to tell me not to do things I really wanted to do. Besides I survived one year of Catholic school, those nuns were brutal. There aren't enough stories about male gods giving birth to horses, or warrior women winning peeing contests for my tastes. I also think Utnapishtim has a pretty solid copyright infringement case against Noah.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 20:14:14 GMT
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Post by Scott on Dec 21, 2019 3:10:45 GMT
I've had dragons in my yard! Nice little lizards they are. Not like goannas.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 23, 2019 1:34:14 GMT
And you probably won't. Enjoy the sword.
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