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Post by LeMal on Nov 28, 2019 12:55:09 GMT
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 28, 2019 15:36:37 GMT
Those stores an another German store offer swords which are discontinued by the big Companies Cas/Hanwei and Windlass Group at least in the US. I guess the original forges still make most of the swords and the vendors only stop selling them for whatever reason. It's possible to get and sell them. I made an own thread about it. sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/58718/discontinued-swords-available-germany |
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2019 18:13:08 GMT
The poor availability is a real shame, too - it sure looks miles better than the ones from Windlass and Cold Steel.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 18:54:24 GMT
The full profile tangs are anachronistic..
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2019 19:57:55 GMT
Exposed slab tangs are very rare, indeed, but not completely unheard of. Plus, I think this does a very good job of emulating - or actually is one? I can't tell from the photos - the ubiquitous framed tangs on this characteristically Ottoman style of shamshir (e.g. like this). It should also make the bulbous "pommel" less fragile, a complaint some people have had about the Windlass shamshir. |
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Post by randomnobody on Nov 28, 2019 20:08:42 GMT
I feel like it's probably consumer demand over historical accuracy, but I've definitely seen a few old swords with similar construction.
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2019 20:22:08 GMT
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Post by randomnobody on Nov 28, 2019 20:25:34 GMT
Yes, of course, "a few" indeed.
I'm still going with the market wanting to see the tang, thus, here it is.
Probably won't buy one, myself, but cool to see another option for those looking for something in the style.
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2019 20:29:58 GMT
On the other hand, the perception that it looks wrong may also be the reason its not made more widely available...
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 28, 2019 20:33:08 GMT
Full profile tangs and framed tangs are totally different beasts.
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2019 20:33:35 GMT
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2019 20:34:51 GMT
Full profile tangs and framed tangs are totally different beasts. They can look similar enough from the outside, though. |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 28, 2019 20:37:43 GMT
Full profile tangs and framed tangs are totally different beasts. They can look similar enough from the outside, though. Yeah, but in terms of how they work, are made, change the behavior of a sword, and in regards to historical accuracy, they are not synonymous. |
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2019 20:51:53 GMT
They can look similar enough from the outside, though. Yeah, but in terms of how they work, are made, change the behavior of a sword, and in regards to historical accuracy, they are not synonymous. Yeah, true enough. But as long as the handling dynamics are within the historical parameters for the type, I think using a full slab instead of framed tang would be an acceptable shortcut to keep the cost down. PS. And in any case, it looks less anachronistic than its Windlass and Cold Steel competitors. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 20:57:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 21:02:00 GMT
You might further clarify which Windlass and which Cold Steel you are comparing the Hanwei to.
The Cold Steel with the faux horn is actually the winner of what offerings I have seen.
The saif and shamshir are related, but different and then we get into a whole other debate/discussion.
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2019 21:06:38 GMT
Well, what about it looks anachronistic to you? Because to me the blade shape, grip shape, guard shape, materials, decoration, and construction all look more historical - and IMO more attractive, but that's just me - than either of those popular ones. But then, it is also a hundred euros more expensive, so hey... You might further clarify which Windlass and which Cold Steel you are comparing the Hanwei to. The Cold Steel with the faux horn is actually the winner of what offerings I have seen. The saif and shamshir are related, but different and then we get into a whole other debate/discussion. Cheers GC The top two contenders in budget shamshirs: Windlass Persian ScimitarCold Steel Persian ShamshirSaif are Arabic swords with somewhat straighter blades than the typical shamshir; if you object to the shamshir label, these curved swords with bulbous pommels could be called kilij, since the style was most popular in Turkish contexts (although that's not really saying much, given how far and wide the Ottoman cultural sphere spread). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 21:10:58 GMT
The full profile tangs are anachronistic..
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2019 21:13:17 GMT
The full profile tangs are anachronistic.. But less so than hidden tangs. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 21:22:21 GMT
Let me explain something about the framed tangs. The frames are anything but structural. My own yataghan has a tang less than half an inch wide and barely reaches anywhere near the bulbous ears. The frame is horn with strips of sheet metal glued to horn.   The CS Persian and "breakable" Windlass were closer to reality than these full tangs. Fittings aside. I made a simple observation and stand by it. Cheers GC |
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