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Post by Svadilfari on Oct 31, 2019 0:40:08 GMT
Rather than cutting through a pikestaff, I suspect a greatsword would have been of more use in beating the pike aside before closing in . Once past the head of the pike..the pike looses most of it's advantage.
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Post by leviathansteak on Oct 31, 2019 0:56:35 GMT
Actually i think an armoured fight could go in eithers favour.
Assuming full plate, a greatsword would lose its great advantage of debilitating cuts and thrusts which would end an unarmoured opponent easily.
The quarterstaff guy has a fairly good impact weapon and can close distance more easily now assuming he doesnt eat a mordschlag to the face.
Such a fight would likely end in a grapple as many armoured fights do, then it's anyones game
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Oct 31, 2019 12:32:09 GMT
To get past the head of a pike, the landsknetcht or whoever would have to deal with the fact that the pikeman can retract and thrust his pikehead as far as his arms allow. A nice long sword would be better for making a sweeping parry to pass the pikehead while spending less time in that danger zone where the pikeman can thrust at you but you can't hit him.
I could only imagine pikes being cut or broken if the haft were planted in the ground and the sword cut were directed forward so that the force is largely channeled through that plane where the haft can't move. Probably happened sometimes and would be an oft-repeated point of pride for the individual who pulled it off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 5:35:32 GMT
To get past the head of a pike, the landsknetcht or whoever would have to deal with the fact that the pikeman can retract and thrust his pikehead as far as his arms allow. A nice long sword would be better for making a sweeping parry to pass the pikehead while spending less time in that danger zone where the pikeman can thrust at you but you can't hit him. I could only imagine pikes being cut or broken if the haft were planted in the ground and the sword cut were directed forward so that the force is largely channeled through that plane where the haft can't move. Probably happened sometimes and would be an oft-repeated point of pride for the individual who pulled it off. It is exactly the purpose to break up pike squares were not two handed and why rodelero (and other infantry, halnerds, glaives and all) and firearms were developed to defeat them The thought that a handful of landsknecht were capable of dominating a pike square is a bit misguided. More often regarded as defensive swordsmen. Back to polearm and dagger, as always, skill would play measure. Hand's opinion was that someone closing and getting inside the lever (with skill) might have an equal chance. Just as infantry battled pike squares. imgur.com/gallery/pWP3xo4/comment/1501143181ejercitodeflandes.blogspot.com/2012/06/rodela-rodelero.htmlwiktenauer.com/wiki/Opera_Nova_(Achille_Marozzo)Cheers GC
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 1, 2019 5:45:34 GMT
Sidesword/rapier and rotella is a great combo. I would gladly take it against a pike or spear any day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 2:15:23 GMT
Sidesword/rapier and rotella is a great combo. I would gladly take it against a pike or spear any day. Word. Those are two weapons I still want to own. Not sure if I want a rapier or sidesword more, though
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 9, 2019 2:32:41 GMT
Sidesword/rapier and rotella is a great combo. I would gladly take it against a pike or spear any day. Word. Those are two weapons I still want to own. Not sure if I want a rapier or sidesword more, though Honestly, I would advocate the rapier over the sidesword. I know sidesword is a very appealing weapon but tbh you basically already have it's functions in any other cut and thrust sword, whereas a good long rapier is absolutely unique in its usage imho. If you do go rapier and want a sharp I can reccomend castille armory (just ask them for a sharp blade, it'll be a little extra but it's well worth it) or go with the cold steel ribbed shell hilt rapier, and after those the windlass Christus Imperat, blade length and weight being what I'm looking at. Then again... you'll need a good main gauche to complete the set. DM me and I can reccomend some rapier videos to look at for technique.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 9, 2019 2:32:54 GMT
Sidesword/rapier and rotella is a great combo. I would gladly take it against a pike or spear any day. Word. Those are two weapons I still want to own. Not sure if I want a rapier or sidesword more, though
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Post by howler on Nov 9, 2019 2:57:36 GMT
Word. Those are two weapons I still want to own. Not sure if I want a rapier or sidesword more, though Honestly, I would advocate the rapier over the sidesword. I know sidesword is a very appealing weapon but tbh you basically already have it's functions in any other cut and thrust sword, whereas a good long rapier is absolutely unique in its usage imho. If you do go rapier and want a sharp I can reccomend castille armory (just ask them for a sharp blade, it'll be a little extra but it's well worth it) or go with the cold steel ribbed shell hilt rapier, and after those the windlass Christus Imperat, blade length and weight being what I'm looking at. Then again... you'll need a good main gauche to complete the set. DM me and I can reccomend some rapier videos to look at for technique. The CS shell hilt is a big ol' monster that probably screams Main Gauche to complement, because nobody is going to swing the breed like Errol Flynn.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 9, 2019 3:02:40 GMT
Honestly, I would advocate the rapier over the sidesword. I know sidesword is a very appealing weapon but tbh you basically already have it's functions in any other cut and thrust sword, whereas a good long rapier is absolutely unique in its usage imho. If you do go rapier and want a sharp I can reccomend castille armory (just ask them for a sharp blade, it'll be a little extra but it's well worth it) or go with the cold steel ribbed shell hilt rapier, and after those the windlass Christus Imperat, blade length and weight being what I'm looking at. Then again... you'll need a good main gauche to complete the set. DM me and I can reccomend some rapier videos to look at for technique. The CS shell hilt is a big ol' monster that probably screams Main Gauche to complement, because nobody is going to swing the breed like Errol Flynn. Meh, it's only a little above 3 pounds. Useable single if you use it in a manner which complements it's long blade and protective hilt. But yeah, and I am biased towards a dagger anyways. It really changes the whole game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 3:09:35 GMT
Thanks a bunch for the recommendations. The cold steel is likely more in my price range, eh? I'm a bit busy to do research haha
I feel like it would be easier finding a side sword that does what it's supposed to do, for a good price. Rapier seem like they are rarely made to be stiff enough
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 9, 2019 5:07:26 GMT
Thanks a bunch for the recommendations. The cold steel is likely more in my price range, eh? I'm a bit busy to do research haha I feel like it would be easier finding a side sword that does what it's supposed to do, for a good price. Rapier seem like they are rarely made to be stiff enough The windlass is the cheapest, but the heaviest/shortest, cold steel floats around the 300 marks and when I got to handle it, while I wasn't impressed, I wasn't upset by it either. It's lighter and longer than the windlass. With castille you can use the BYOS tool and pay between 341 (plus a fee for custom making the sharp blade of course, my last convo with them seemed to leave a sharp blade around 70ish dollars more than a blunt) and 1185 dollars (but thats between choosing the least expensive and most expensive options for everything, e.g. a basic diamond section vs flamberge blade, plain clamshell vs complex taza cup hilt).
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Post by howler on Nov 9, 2019 6:44:26 GMT
Thanks a bunch for the recommendations. The cold steel is likely more in my price range, eh? I'm a bit busy to do research haha I feel like it would be easier finding a side sword that does what it's supposed to do, for a good price. Rapier seem like they are rarely made to be stiff enough My CS shell rapier blade is super stiff, Trap, with the sword being real heavy, so no way you would need to worry about it being too whippy. I'd like to get the POB a few inches closer to the grip to increase speed.
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Post by howler on Nov 9, 2019 6:53:13 GMT
The CS shell hilt is a big ol' monster that probably screams Main Gauche to complement, because nobody is going to swing the breed like Errol Flynn. Meh, it's only a little above 3 pounds. Useable single if you use it in a manner which complements it's long blade and protective hilt. But yeah, and I am biased towards a dagger anyways. It really changes the whole game. I know what your saying, as there are ways of using the bigger rapier (single time vs double, I think) but an offhand dagger would still be a big improvement in any regard and I believe more so with this type. For cutting with this thing I would primarily do push/pull draw where its mass could make a pretty good slice.
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