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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 1:58:40 GMT
I had an interesting discussion, somewhat in disbelief, that a scutum was that heavy. Roman troops with armour, scutum, pilum and a gladius. Just marching around with them in travel would be horrendous, unless they were moved in carts from point A to point B. Anyway, one German reenactor stepped in to that Netsword thread to show his heater,covered on both sides and iirc, a bit more than 16 lbs. There is this myArmoury feature but it was one or two of the discussion threads that got into the pratical diy methods. There re many discussions on several fora. Of course, thee is the Hurstwic page. myarmoury.com/feature_shield.htmlCheers GC
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 11, 2019 2:20:21 GMT
That's a nice heater. And a heavy one as well, but I imagine that suspended from the straps across the arm will help to alleviate the weight issue if there may such arise one.
A recent video by "Metatron" that I watched stated that the scutum was held by a horizontal grip, I imagine that this would help quite a lot with the weight of the shield, as a sort of "dumbbell" hold or its inverse is actually a decently natural feeling position to hold a shield for a long time.
As far as viking martial arts, I've always been somewhat skeptical, especially since it's still in debate as to how the viking sword was actually supposed to be held, unlike how we don't argue about the proper way to hold a sabre or longsword (now I am aware of people who argue about what is the best way to hold either, like in the case of the hammer/handshake vs the thumb up grip for sabre, but I mean of the "should you hold a viking sword like A or like B" argument). But I might really be misunderstanding the entire ordeal, because as I said I really have no stake in the subject of viking (or really most of these more speculative martial arts) martial arts.
That said, I would think that Indian martial arts, specifically those using the larger Dha shields and more straight tulwar (firangi I believe is the term for it?) might be a decent start, though of course I have no basis for that.
I also have to ask how much of viking martial culture was centered around fighting in groups versus fighting duels. Both happened obviously but I am curious as to what was more prevalent, and if there was specific swords and shields made for either circumstance, sort of like the dueling sabre versus the officers or troopers fighting sword.
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 18, 2019 17:05:48 GMT
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Post by paulmuaddib on Sept 18, 2019 19:49:27 GMT
That’s pretty cool Ifrit. Reminds me of the New Zealand Maori haka. I’m sure a lot of cultures had similar rites to get fired up for a fight and intimidate their enemies.
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 18, 2019 20:02:31 GMT
That’s pretty cool Ifrit. Reminds me of the New Zealand Maori haka. I’m sure a lot of cultures had similar rites to get fired up for a fight and intimidate their enemies. I figured those who wanted that battle spirit might be into it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 6:19:38 GMT
There are Hurstwic videos of mixed weapons and melee with no shields.
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Post by MOK on Oct 6, 2019 7:31:03 GMT
Did the vikings train without a shield or were they pretty much screwed if they lost it? Seems everything I see whether recreated or in the artwork shows the combo but no single sword. The sagas and other more or less historical accounts describe plenty of occasions where people fight with just a sword or ax, spear in two hands, sword and spear, two swords etc. either having lost their shield or one simply not being at hand. Shields aren't generally an EDC thing.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Oct 10, 2019 23:20:33 GMT
Awesome stuff, thanks for sharing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 18:53:45 GMT
What was the question again?
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Post by Cosmoline on Oct 30, 2019 23:15:53 GMT
Read this in an arguement over the topic "Using sagas to rebuild ancient fighting styles is like trying to learn WWII combat by reading Captain America comics." Seems a little smarta** but kind of true. The Hurstwic guys dont seem like comic book characters though so im not sure I buy it. Maybe, but you have to work with what you HAVE, not what you wish you had. And we HAVE the sagas, in all their glory. Plus, the other details of the sagas can often be matched up perfectly with reality. Right down to the actual boulder where so-and-so son of whozewhatzit hid before throwing a spear into Jarl Biscuitboy. I mean if you can find that kind of detail and confirm it, it tends to lend credence to the sagas in general as a factual source. And what else is there? You can reverse-engineer using later treatises, and that's about it.
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