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Post by harrybeck on May 19, 2019 5:32:52 GMT
There are airguns that were issue Military weapons.
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Post by harrybeck on May 19, 2019 5:36:07 GMT
You bet.
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 19, 2019 5:36:54 GMT
first PCP
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Post by howler on May 19, 2019 7:30:51 GMT
Been wanting to get into non gunpowder for rifle and handgun, because you can shoot in your backyard (or even basement) and not have to deal with standard legal (gunpowder) firearm issues & no nos. Howler, Imo, the best .22 pellet spring powered rifle is the Diana 54 using jsb exact jumbo heavy 18.13 grain pellets. it is heavy as all magnum spring powered rifles are but it is by far IMO the best one for the money period. You will literally get a dime sized group at 20 yards easily. You can head shot small game easily. If you want something a little lighter then the Diana 460 magnum is the next best thing. You prefer .22 over .177? Does the former offer more knockdown and the latter more accuracy?
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Post by howler on May 19, 2019 7:35:04 GMT
It is like a mix of a pump and pcp. That is a really good idea. A great hybrid, and best of both worlds. I wonder if you can just pump it (say 20 times for 8 shots) less and just have less shots? Reason being, say your gun is out and you need a quick shot but don't have time for pumping it 40 times.
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Post by howler on May 19, 2019 7:38:16 GMT
There are airguns that were issue Military weapons. The Louis & Clark air gun, one of the most intriguing guns in history. Hard to believe in that day and age.
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 19, 2019 7:46:16 GMT
Howler, Imo, the best .22 pellet spring powered rifle is the Diana 54 using jsb exact jumbo heavy 18.13 grain pellets. it is heavy as all magnum spring powered rifles are but it is by far IMO the best one for the money period. You will literally get a dime sized group at 20 yards easily. You can head shot small game easily. If you want something a little lighter then the Diana 460 magnum is the next best thing. You prefer .22 over .177? Does the former offer more knockdown and the latter more accuracy? 22. can be just as accurate as 177, 22 will drop faster tough. 22 hits harder and can be just as accurate but will drop faster. a gun bullet drops in an arc and 177 flys straight for longer. cause its lighter
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 19, 2019 7:46:38 GMT
It is like a mix of a pump and pcp. That is a really good idea. A great hybrid, and best of both worlds. I wonder if you can just pump it (say 20 times for 8 shots) less and just have less shots? Reason being, say your gun is out and you need a quick shot but don't have time for pumping it 40 times. We have a scuba tank we fill ours with lol
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Post by howler on May 19, 2019 7:57:53 GMT
You prefer .22 over .177? Does the former offer more knockdown and the latter more accuracy? 22. can be just as accurate as 177, 22 will drop faster tough. 22 hits harder and can be just as accurate but will drop faster. a gun bullet drops in an arc and 177 flys straight for longer. cause its lighter Flatter shootin' with the 177 vs harder hitting with the 22, generally speaking for both, of course. Hunting larger things, seems the 22 is the choice. Paper shooting, maybe the 177. Answer is to get both and experiment (in the interest of science, of course...not fun).
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 19, 2019 8:23:17 GMT
22. can be just as accurate as 177, 22 will drop faster tough. 22 hits harder and can be just as accurate but will drop faster. a gun bullet drops in an arc and 177 flys straight for longer. cause its lighter Flatter shootin' with the 177 vs harder hitting with the 22, generally speaking for both, of course. Hunting larger things, seems the 22 is the choice. Paper shooting, maybe the 177. Answer is to get both and experiment (in the interest of science, of course...not fun). you got it 20. is a nice mix of them both.
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Post by howler on May 19, 2019 8:24:08 GMT
You prefer .22 over .177? Does the former offer more knockdown and the latter more accuracy? The vast majority of the small game that I have shot is with the .22 and these shots were within about 20-30 yards and 20+fpe is enough to smash essentially any small game with decent placement and a good pellet. The largest pellet these models come chambered in is the .22 but if it came in a .25 I would have gotten it. I am of the mentality that when it comes to a relatively(compared to firearms) slow moving projectile that it is best to go with the larger, heavier projectile for the added momentum. Same reason that for larger game many bow hunters prefer heavier arrows for that added momentum. I haven't shot enough game with a .177 to say if it actually makes a difference in the real world though. I would imagine though that a heavy .177 pellet with a good sectional density would be great for penetration so I think you can flip a coin. I've seen some .177 pellets up to 16-17 grains putting it in .22 pellet weight category. I would just advise that you shoot the heaviest pellet that your gun shoots accurately. For me it seems to be the the 16-19 grain for .22 and the 8-11 grain .177. With all of that being said........... This is all conjecture because It won't matter with this rifle. I think the Diana 54 has enough power and accuracy to drive a heavy .177 right through any small game under 30 yards no problem. I'd guess with 18-19fpe at the muzzle. A 17 grain .177, that would give a penetrating advantage.
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Post by howler on May 19, 2019 8:25:37 GMT
Flatter shootin' with the 177 vs harder hitting with the 22, generally speaking for both, of course. Hunting larger things, seems the 22 is the choice. Paper shooting, maybe the 177. Answer is to get both and experiment (in the interest of science, of course...not fun). you got it 20. is a nice mix of them both. I wonder. Has anyone experimented with a 20?
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Post by markus313 on May 19, 2019 8:26:20 GMT
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 19, 2019 8:26:40 GMT
You prefer .22 over .177? Does the former offer more knockdown and the latter more accuracy? The vast majority of the small game that I have shot is with the .22 and these shots were within about 20-30 yards and 20+fpe is enough to smash essentially any small game with decent placement and a good pellet. The largest pellet these models come chambered in is the .22 but if it came in a .25 I would have gotten it. I am of the mentality that when it comes to a relatively(compared to firearms) slow moving projectile that it is best to go with the larger, heavier projectile for the added momentum. Same reason that for larger game many bow hunters prefer heavier arrows for that added momentum. I haven't shot enough game with a .177 to say if it actually makes a difference in the real world though. I would imagine though that a heavy .177 pellet with a good sectional density would be great for penetration so I think you can flip a coin. I've seen some .177 pellets up to 16-17 grains putting it in .22 pellet weight category. I would just advise that you shoot the heaviest pellet that your gun shoots accurately. For me it seems to be the the 16-19 grain for .22 and the 8-11 grain .177. With all of that being said........... This is all conjecture because It won't matter with this rifle. I think the Diana 54 has enough power and accuracy to drive a heavy .177 right through any small game under 30 yards no problem. I'd guess with 18-19fpe at the muzzle. I have killed game with a 177 and it makes a difference. 177 actually have more fps than a 22 will as the pellet is smaller and any 177 have the tendancie to shoot through game and out the other side which you dont want. When a pellet hits game it compresses in their body and tears, but a 177 does not usually do that as well because of the speed. 22 is the way to go if you going to shoot game. for plinking get a 177. if you want something for both get a 22. (now dont get me wrong, you will get lots of kills with 177 but the pellet can be to fast sometime depending on the gun, like the 54 is a very good small game gun regardless of caliber)
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 19, 2019 8:27:43 GMT
The vast majority of the small game that I have shot is with the .22 and these shots were within about 20-30 yards and 20+fpe is enough to smash essentially any small game with decent placement and a good pellet. The largest pellet these models come chambered in is the .22 but if it came in a .25 I would have gotten it. I am of the mentality that when it comes to a relatively(compared to firearms) slow moving projectile that it is best to go with the larger, heavier projectile for the added momentum. Same reason that for larger game many bow hunters prefer heavier arrows for that added momentum. I haven't shot enough game with a .177 to say if it actually makes a difference in the real world though. I would imagine though that a heavy .177 pellet with a good sectional density would be great for penetration so I think you can flip a coin. I've seen some .177 pellets up to 16-17 grains putting it in .22 pellet weight category. I would just advise that you shoot the heaviest pellet that your gun shoots accurately. For me it seems to be the the 16-19 grain for .22 and the 8-11 grain .177. With all of that being said........... This is all conjecture because It won't matter with this rifle. I think the Diana 54 has enough power and accuracy to drive a heavy .177 right through any small game under 30 yards no problem. I'd guess with 18-19fpe at the muzzle. A 17 grain .177, that would give a penetrating advantage. It would drop like heck tho
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 19, 2019 8:28:28 GMT
We have one of those as well they are nice little plinkers, but dont try to use it as a hunting gun lol.
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 19, 2019 8:29:38 GMT
You prefer .22 over .177? Does the former offer more knockdown and the latter more accuracy? The vast majority of the small game that I have shot is with the .22 and these shots were within about 20-30 yards and 20+fpe is enough to smash essentially any small game with decent placement and a good pellet. The largest pellet these models come chambered in is the .22 but if it came in a .25 I would have gotten it. I am of the mentality that when it comes to a relatively(compared to firearms) slow moving projectile that it is best to go with the larger, heavier projectile for the added momentum. Same reason that for larger game many bow hunters prefer heavier arrows for that added momentum. I haven't shot enough game with a .177 to say if it actually makes a difference in the real world though. I would imagine though that a heavy .177 pellet with a good sectional density would be great for penetration so I think you can flip a coin. I've seen some .177 pellets up to 16-17 grains putting it in .22 pellet weight category. I would just advise that you shoot the heaviest pellet that your gun shoots accurately. For me it seems to be the the 16-19 grain for .22 and the 8-11 grain .177. With all of that being said........... This is all conjecture because It won't matter with this rifle. I think the Diana 54 has enough power and accuracy to drive a heavy .177 right through any small game under 30 yards no problem. I'd guess with 18-19fpe at the muzzle. When you have 20 FPE it doesnt really seem to matter on caliber at that point.
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Post by Robert in California on May 19, 2019 11:33:02 GMT
Into springers. And farm pest hunting (small stuff). Favorite is the Beeman R9 (HW95) with a Vortek kit. Easier to do hills and dales than with a RWS54 which is quite heavy. My RWS54 does about 800 fps with 14.3 gr Crosman Premiers. But family farms (farms with livestock that attract pests like starlings, etc) have mostly died out here in central Calif, so less and less pest hunting areas available. Sad.
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 19, 2019 16:51:51 GMT
Into springers. And farm pest hunting (small stuff). Favorite is the Beeman R9 (HW95) with a Vortek kit. Easier to do hills and dales than with a RWS54 which is quite heavy. My RWS54 does about 800 fps with 14.3 gr Crosman Premiers. But family farms (farms with livestock that attract pests like starlings, etc) have mostly died out here in central Calif, so less and less pest hunting areas available. Sad. your r9 could probably get about 800 FPS as well. I love that thing it is a tac driver
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Post by nerdthenord on May 19, 2019 18:56:50 GMT
I shoot real guns sometimes but airsoft guns are my big expensive hobby other than swords. So I guess, no I don’t really shoot airguns that are actually dangerous.
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