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Post by ethanb on Jan 28, 2019 0:35:53 GMT
this is my first post here, so sorry if I did anything wrong,
I'm thinking about customizing a sword of mine from darksword armory by putting a custom pommel on it. The sword in question is one of their composite swords, with the hilt of their black death sword, but a wolfsbane blade. By looking at the pommel, I can clearly tell it is not peened, but either they somehow put a ton of torque on the pommel when screwing it on, or they also used some sort of adhesive. Does anyone have experience with dismantling their threaded pommel swords? As stated earlier, I would like to remove this pommel to add one of my own, but I don't want to do anything that might damage it in the process, so if anyone has experience with getting threaded pommels of their swords, advice it would be greatly appreciated.
The threaded part of the tang does come all the way through the pommel, and it is only threaded on the corners (looks like it started out with a thinner diameter than the thread), so my current idea is to pour some type of solvent down around the threads in hope that that loosens it up. However, if anyone has better suggestions, they would be appreciated!
thanks, Ethan
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Post by stormmaster on Jan 28, 2019 1:29:37 GMT
Probably glue, you can try warming it up to remove
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jan 28, 2019 1:50:37 GMT
In the Sword Customation section here is a thread "Sword Construction Data Base". There are some informations about older DSA hilts but it's not clear if they changed their assembling methods. Usually they used epoxy and it's possible that you can't remove the pommel without destroying the whole hilt. Perhaps you can ask DSA.
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Post by ethanb on Jan 28, 2019 19:52:56 GMT
I’ll probably send Darksword an email and see if I can get the information directly from the source. Does heating up the pommel/tang to loosen the epoxy (if it is epoxy) run the risk of damaging the blade at all? I’ve heard that using things like buffing wheels to polish swords isn’t a good idea because it can damage the temper, but if the heat is localized at the pommel is it fine?
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Jan 29, 2019 12:25:10 GMT
Take a torch to the pommel. It will have no negative impact on the blade, may ruin the grip though. Or, you knwo, being DSA, throw it out and get something better (tongue-in-cheek)
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Post by ethanb on Jan 29, 2019 16:41:23 GMT
Just heard back from Darksword, and for anyone else who is interested, they use pc7 epoxy to secure fittings, which can be broken down/softened with a torch.
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Post by ethanb on Jan 29, 2019 16:45:30 GMT
Or, you knwo, being DSA, throw it out and get something better (tongue-in-cheek) Just out of curiosity, what is the issue that some people have with Darksword? Some people seem to think they’re fine, and others say they’re terrible. Ive heard that they’re old tangs used to be bad, but from what I’ve heard, that has been fixed, are there other issues that some people have?
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Post by Faldarin on Jan 29, 2019 17:05:31 GMT
Or, you knwo, being DSA, throw it out and get something better (tongue-in-cheek) Just out of curiosity, what is the issue that some people have with Darksword? Some people seem to think they’re fine, and others say they’re terrible. Ive heard that they’re old tangs used to be bad, but from what I’ve heard, that has been fixed, are there other issues that some people have? Just stating facts here - not trying to start an argument with anyone. In the past - there's been documented cases of swords with serious issues from DSA. Some of those potentially were blown out of proportion, but the bad ones were - very bad. There are some doubts from some people that they have fixed all those issues. Also, there are other questions as to their advertising/business practices. That's about all I can say stating facts, and not opinion.
That's all off topic of this thread though, OP. I hope torching the pommel lets you loosen it enough to work with it!
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 29, 2019 17:07:06 GMT
Or, you knwo, being DSA, throw it out and get something better (tongue-in-cheek) Just out of curiosity, what is the issue that some people have with Darksword? Some people seem to think they’re fine, and others say they’re terrible. Ive heard that they’re old tangs used to be bad, but from what I’ve heard, that has been fixed, are there other issues that some people have? The dishonesty displayed by the owner has been a large issue for many in the past, as well as some evidence for fraudulent or misleading advertising, and their tangs being bad was a pretty recent thing, I only started in 2016 and people still had issues then.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 29, 2019 17:14:53 GMT
Heating the pommel should soften up the epoxy, just he careful that you have actually softened up the epoxy before unscrewing, you can damage the tang if you just try to brute force it.
I snapped a threaded tang like that once.
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Post by ethanb on Jan 29, 2019 17:54:38 GMT
Just out of curiosity, what is the issue that some people have with Darksword? Some people seem to think they’re fine, and others say they’re terrible. Ive heard that they’re old tangs used to be bad, but from what I’ve heard, that has been fixed, are there other issues that some people have? The dishonesty displayed by the owner has been a large issue for many in the past, as well as some evidence for fraudulent or misleading advertising, and their tangs being bad was a pretty recent thing, I only started in 2016 and people still had issues then. What kind of dishonesty? I had gathered that their customer service was one of their better attributes
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 29, 2019 18:00:14 GMT
The dishonesty displayed by the owner has been a large issue for many in the past, as well as some evidence for fraudulent or misleading advertising, and their tangs being bad was a pretty recent thing, I only started in 2016 and people still had issues then. What kind of dishonesty? I had gathered that their customer service was one of their better attributes There are others more knowledgeable on it than I am, but one big one I'm aware of it them saying their swords are made in Canada and many believing this to not be true, as there products often times seem to look an awful lot like Indian made products as well as a suspicious shipping ledger existing with very similar names to DSA swords being shipped to Canada.
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Post by Ifrit on Jan 29, 2019 18:20:14 GMT
Take a torch to the pommel. It will have no negative impact on the blade, may ruin the grip though. Or, you knwo, being DSA, throw it out and get something better (tongue-in-cheek) Well if you can afford a DSA you can afford a squire line Albion lol. Bad choices were made with DSA
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 22:26:54 GMT
Take a torch to the pommel. It will have no negative impact on the blade, may ruin the grip though. Or, you knwo, being DSA, throw it out and get something better (tongue-in-cheek) Well if you can afford a DSA you can afford a squire line Albion lol. Bad choices were made with DSA This. I will make a final purchase with them, not with my name of course, going for their brand new models. This sword will then be stripped down to the bone; maybe even including a metallurgical analysis and hardness tests. Then we will see what DSA statements about improved tangs and overall better quality are worth. We are three guys from my area here and will take the financials together. If no one jumps off, we will be go for this as soon as the sword will be available.
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Post by ethanb on Jan 29, 2019 23:30:39 GMT
What kind of dishonesty? I had gathered that their customer service was one of their better attributes There are others more knowledgeable on it than I am, but one big one I'm aware of it them saying their swords are made in Canada and many believing this to not be true, as there products often times seem to look an awful lot like Indian made products as well as a suspicious shipping ledger existing with very similar names to DSA swords being shipped to Canada. on their website they say you can get a tour of their workshop, I would think determining whether or not the blades are made there would be a pretty easy thing to deduce...
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 30, 2019 4:50:24 GMT
There are others more knowledgeable on it than I am, but one big one I'm aware of it them saying their swords are made in Canada and many believing this to not be true, as there products often times seem to look an awful lot like Indian made products as well as a suspicious shipping ledger existing with very similar names to DSA swords being shipped to Canada. on their website they say you can get a tour of their workshop, I would think determining whether or not the blades are made there would be a pretty easy thing to deduce... Think made as in where the parts come from. As in are they manufactured in Canada or simply put together there?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 5:49:02 GMT
There are others more knowledgeable on it than I am, but one big one I'm aware of it them saying their swords are made in Canada and many believing this to not be true, as there products often times seem to look an awful lot like Indian made products as well as a suspicious shipping ledger existing with very similar names to DSA swords being shipped to Canada. on their website they say you can get a tour of their workshop, I would think determining whether or not the blades are made there would be a pretty easy thing to deduce... Guess how many times several forumites have asked exactly for this, had discussed it with DSA, and then... nothing. They wont show you a thing; they never had, they never will IMHO.
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Post by Ifrit on Jan 30, 2019 6:05:20 GMT
Well if you can afford a DSA you can afford a squire line Albion lol. Bad choices were made with DSA This. I will make a final purchase with them, not with my name of course, going for their brand new models. This sword will then be stripped down to the bone; maybe even including a metallurgical analysis and hardness tests. Then we will see what DSA statements about improved tangs and overall better quality are worth. We are three guys from my area here and will take the financials together. If no one jumps off, we will be go for this as soon as the sword will be available. After DSA "improved" their quality line, all we mainly got is a price jump
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 11:23:47 GMT
This. I will make a final purchase with them, not with my name of course, going for their brand new models. This sword will then be stripped down to the bone; maybe even including a metallurgical analysis and hardness tests. Then we will see what DSA statements about improved tangs and overall better quality are worth. We are three guys from my area here and will take the financials together. If no one jumps off, we will be go for this as soon as the sword will be available. After DSA "improved" their quality line, all we mainly got is a price jump This. But as i said - one last chance. I will order directly from them, and i really hope we get our resources here to do the analyses we have in mind. If that fails, i will have the sword shipped to Lukas MG, if he has the time, or i leave it in the US and have it delivered to Jimbo Curry or Wes Beem to take things down; dont like DSA's grips anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 12:19:13 GMT
The dishonesty displayed by the owner has been a large issue for many in the past, as well as some evidence for fraudulent or misleading advertising, and their tangs being bad was a pretty recent thing, I only started in 2016 and people still had issues then. What kind of dishonesty? I had gathered that their customer service was one of their better attributes If I dug up the discussions with the owner (Eyal Azerad) claiming they never used threaded pommels and never used epoxy, would that change anyone's opinion?
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