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Post by swordenthusiast on Jul 1, 2021 5:07:42 GMT
The reason this argument keeps coming up is because people don't understand or see the point being made. it's NOT that Ryansword sells crappy swords, they basically sell the same level of direct from China swords as most other ebay sellers so while they aren't the best quality out there, many are pretty decent for the money. the main point is how they have and still continue to go out of their way to lie, deceive and try to cheat their customers. They practically created the bad rep that buying DFC swords carries with it. They lied about the steel, lied about their craftsmanship, lied about lamination, lied to their reps, used fake accounts to "review" their swords, had to open up many other seller identities to continue selling to those trying to avoid them. and this is not just something in ancient history, this still happens. The question is, why give your money to lying, cheating, shady scoundrels like that when there are so many other choices providing the same quality? I'm not saying no other sellers have lied about their products but none have gone to the lengths that RS have to do it. they ARE the snakes of the ebay/DFC industry and represent all the things we don't like about this niche market, imho. I could look through their offerings and find a good sword for the money, no problem there. but I won't. so again, it's not that RS can't sell you a good sword. this market is already flooded with potential pieces of garbage, why increase your chances of getting burned by buying from such a known scammer on top of that? in about five minutes, someone will read this and claim they don't think RS is so bad because they got three good swords from them... smdh All of this is most likely true, but there is one thing that seperates them from the others for sure: their Euro designs. These are pretty unique, i cant find them anywhere besides Ryansword/Swords Of Nortshire. So they do have some kind of unique source at least for that special stuff, and it is well put together. We owned some Katana from them but those were all sold because we are not the katana girl and boy in the first place. We have some decent pieces now which were customized by good craftsmen and bought by reliable forumites, so we stay with that pieces. But the Ryan swords indeed were absolutely OK and in no way worse than Hanbon, ST Nihonto or whoever. EDIT: it took me 30 minutes; what patience, neh? I think you're totally missing Cottontail's point. It doesn't matter what kind of swords they make well. Why would you want to frequent an establishment that lies? If on the outside of a restaurant, it says great burgers inside, but when I go in all they ever have is hot dogs, why would I go there? Sure, the hot dogs may be the best damn hot dogs in the world, unlike hot dogs anywhere else, but it doesn't change the fact that when I went in and ordered a burger, they gave me a hot dog, which wasn't what I wanted or was promised. If RS makes great European swords, then maybe they should stick to that, advertise that, and sell that, but by shadily operating in the katana market they blow there reputation, and are thereby untrustworthy. Again, great hot dogs, but what are they really made of at the end of the day?
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Post by Dandelion on Jul 1, 2021 13:05:50 GMT
All of this is most likely true, but there is one thing that seperates them from the others for sure: their Euro designs. These are pretty unique, i cant find them anywhere besides Ryansword/Swords Of Nortshire. So they do have some kind of unique source at least for that special stuff, and it is well put together. We owned some Katana from them but those were all sold because we are not the katana girl and boy in the first place. We have some decent pieces now which were customized by good craftsmen and bought by reliable forumites, so we stay with that pieces. But the Ryan swords indeed were absolutely OK and in no way worse than Hanbon, ST Nihonto or whoever. EDIT: it took me 30 minutes; what patience, neh? I think you're totally missing Cottontail's point. It doesn't matter what kind of swords they make well. Why would you want to frequent an establishment that lies? If on the outside of a restaurant, it says great burgers inside, but when I go in all they ever have is hot dogs, why would I go there? Sure, the hot dogs may be the best damn hot dogs in the world, unlike hot dogs anywhere else, but it doesn't change the fact that when I went in and ordered a burger, they gave me a hot dog, which wasn't what I wanted or was promised. If RS makes great European swords, then maybe they should stick to that, advertise that, and sell that, but by shadily operating in the katana market they blow there reputation, and are thereby untrustworthy. Again, great hot dogs, but what are they really made of at the end of the day? Why people keep buying and praising Ronin Katana (still advertising the Dojo Pro wraps as silk - which it is clearly NOT) and DSA (lying about almost everything!) swords? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by tera on Jul 1, 2021 15:19:11 GMT
I believe Ronin Katana advertises in a niche market space, where they seem to be the only sub-$300 katana supplier who produce dotanuki style blades. These seem to attract people interested in durable, through-hardened cutters.
I have yet to own one of their products, but multiple people on these boards have recommended them as a source for a potential first tameshigiri-focused blade.
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Post by Student of Sword on Jul 1, 2021 16:21:37 GMT
Ronin Katana is about the same class and price range of Dynasty Forge Musha. Their "silk ito" isn't silk but synthetic. I believe their buffalo horn parts are real horn though.
The so called "dotanuki" style blade is just marketing. They are not more durable than most 1060 through harden katana out there. Through harden 1060 (assumed heat treat correctly) are all durable.
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Post by swordenthusiast on Jul 1, 2021 16:38:06 GMT
I think you're totally missing Cottontail's point. It doesn't matter what kind of swords they make well. Why would you want to frequent an establishment that lies? If on the outside of a restaurant, it says great burgers inside, but when I go in all they ever have is hot dogs, why would I go there? Sure, the hot dogs may be the best damn hot dogs in the world, unlike hot dogs anywhere else, but it doesn't change the fact that when I went in and ordered a burger, they gave me a hot dog, which wasn't what I wanted or was promised. If RS makes great European swords, then maybe they should stick to that, advertise that, and sell that, but by shadily operating in the katana market they blow there reputation, and are thereby untrustworthy. Again, great hot dogs, but what are they really made of at the end of the day? Why people keep buying and praising Ronin Katana (still advertising the Dojo Pro wraps as silk - which it is clearly NOT) and DSA (lying about almost everything!) swords? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't own a Ronin, so I couldn't say, but the SBG review says the Ito is silk. Don't own a DSA either. However, if what you say is true, I wouldn't buy from either of these vendors either. If I go to by a Porsche, I expect to get a Porsche, not a Volkswagen covered with a Porsche body.
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Post by Madmartigen on Jul 1, 2021 16:49:21 GMT
If I go to by a Porsche, I expect to get a Porsche, not a Volkswagen covered with a Porsche body. Sorry for nitpicking, but if you buy a Porsche, you actually do get a Volkswagen with a Porsche body :). To some extent, at least.
This aside, your point is mostly valid. Porsche doesn't hide the fact that they are owned by Volkswagen so they have access to Volkswagen money, marketing know-how, engineering etc, while with said sword companies it's a bit more... shady, to say it gently.
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Post by jyamada on Jul 1, 2021 16:52:46 GMT
The so called "dotanuki" style blade is just marketing. They are not more durable than most 1060 through harden katana out there. Through harden 1060 (assumed heat treat correctly) are all durable. Truth.
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Post by swordenthusiast on Jul 1, 2021 17:01:16 GMT
If I go to by a Porsche, I expect to get a Porsche, not a Volkswagen covered with a Porsche body. Sorry for nitpicking, but if you buy a Porsche, you actually do get a Volkswagen with a Porsche body . To some extent, at least.
This aside, your point is mostly valid. Porsche doesn't hide the fact that they are owned by Volkswagen so they have access to Volkswagen money, marketing know-how, engineering etc, while with said sword companies it's a bit more... shady, to say it gently.
Technically true, but the engineering and perfromance between the two brands is very different.
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Post by Arlequin on Jul 2, 2021 5:18:51 GMT
Kinda hard to believe its 2021 and we are still arguing over RyanSwords scam tactics lol.
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Post by pgandy on Jul 2, 2021 12:32:31 GMT
Sorry for nitpicking, but if you buy a Porsche, you actually do get a Volkswagen with a Porsche body . To some extent, at least.
This aside, your point is mostly valid. Porsche doesn't hide the fact that they are owned by Volkswagen so they have access to Volkswagen money, marketing know-how, engineering etc, while with said sword companies it's a bit more... shady, to say it gently.
Technically true, but the engineering and perfromance between the two brands is very different. :) A sports car body over a Volkswagen...sounds like a Karmann Ghia to me.
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Post by paulmuaddib on Jul 2, 2021 15:11:27 GMT
Technically true, but the engineering and perfromance between the two brands is very different. A sports car body over a Volkswagen...sounds like a Karmann Ghia to me. Yep and the Porche 914 base model had a Volkswagen engine in it.
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