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Post by mpsmith47304 on Jul 30, 2018 18:11:26 GMT
Most XIV repros have a diamond cross section because it's cheaper to make with modern production methods I think. But at least one antique XIV has it too, the one in the Metropolitan Museum, New York. As in ROMS, though Oakeshot notes the diamond cross section could classify it as a XVI.... he speculates sharpening during its life, and is swayed by the overall profile of the blade. I guess it could go either way.... I just a note a tendency for sword makers to classify all blades in this neighborhood as a "Type XIV" rather than a XVI. This one is fairly short, though, which leans towards the XIV.
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Post by RickDastardly on Aug 1, 2018 19:08:23 GMT
Well, I think we can forget the idea of cutting with this one. I've just taken off the pommel and as far as I can tell, the bolt onto which it is screwed goes right up to just behind the guard. The grip is very firmly attached and I don't think I can remove it without cutting it off or causing significant damage. I'm not doing that because I'm trying to get CWM to take it back and pay for the return costs. "Full tang construction, extra wide" my backside! I thought it looked too good to be true. That steel probe shown in the photo can be inserted with no resistance, following the bolt, and stops just short of the guard.
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Post by MOK on Aug 1, 2018 21:03:28 GMT
Well that's just fraudulent marketing, then.
PS. Quite the disappointment - it looked like a very nice riding sword for the price.
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Post by pgandy on Aug 2, 2018 2:26:58 GMT
Sorry about that. It did sound like a supper good deal.
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Post by RickDastardly on Aug 2, 2018 10:38:04 GMT
CWM has agreed to pay for the return and refund me in full. I was a bit tempted to keep it as a project blade but I would probably never get around to doing anything with it.
My search for the Kingston Arms/ATrim XIV continues.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Aug 2, 2018 11:11:57 GMT
German store "swords and more" has it in stock but for a ridiculous high price, € 449,--. I ordered mine there much cheaper, after that they upgraded the price.
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Post by RickDastardly on Aug 2, 2018 12:04:35 GMT
Yes, I found that a few days ago. Oddly, I went back to look yesterday and the advert had been changed. It was still a picture of the XIV but the description was of another sword. www.swords-and-more.com/ritterschwert-atrim-design-typ-xiv.htmlEven at the price, plus shipping, I was a little tempted. I just wish a dealer in the UK was interested in stocking the right version of it.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Aug 2, 2018 15:03:48 GMT
They have a mistake in the english version of the KA swords site, pictures and description are mixed up The german version is ok. They didn't sell it for some weeks now, I guess because it's too expensive. Last year they had 20% off at Black Friday.
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Post by RickDastardly on Aug 2, 2018 15:13:40 GMT
That would make sense. I think I selected English only yesterday on the site. The black Friday deal sounds good. I'll keep an eye on them this year in case they do it again. Thanks
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Post by LeMal on Aug 2, 2018 18:19:51 GMT
I would've liked to see you disassemble that handle though. True, if the bolt's a badly welded on extension that'd be a big no-no. But if it's all one piece, round tang, with the threads cut in--just as Windlass did in that period I talked about--it might still be fully functional. "Meh" in construction, but at a great price.
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Post by RickDastardly on Aug 2, 2018 19:35:55 GMT
I'm glad you said that LeMal , it encouraged me to try getting the grip off one last time. I managed to get a really good grip and it came off with a good tug. I'm a little embarrassed to admit it but I was quite wrong about the tang. In fact, it's quite good.I've already sent an apology to CWM and cancelled the return.
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Post by MOK on Aug 2, 2018 20:31:02 GMT
I would NOT call that "extra wide" by any stretch of the imagination, but yeah, it does look quite decent. Nicely rounded shoulders, too! As long as the weld's good and thorough, that should be plenty tough enough.
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Post by LeMal on Aug 3, 2018 1:05:29 GMT
Yay!
(Well, sort of. Now I'm very tempted to get one. ;) )
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 14:51:12 GMT
One of the worst shops out there; exactly my experiences!
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Post by marijnmeuleman on Apr 7, 2024 12:53:26 GMT
Hey, I hope this reply still reaches. Does anyone have an opinion on making this sword “battle ready” (edge 3 mm and rounding the tip)? Would that change the proportions to much or is there not enough material to grind the edge and most important would the steel hold up to abuse?
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Post by mrstabby on Apr 7, 2024 13:09:48 GMT
Hey, I hope this reply still reaches. Does anyone have an opinion on making this sword “battle ready” (edge 3 mm and rounding the tip)? Would that change the proportions to much or is there not enough material to grind the edge and most important would the steel hold up to abuse? Hi, You will lose a bit of weight meaning the PoB will change (will feel less blade heavy, I took off around 5g on a Windlass with 1mm edge, so 15g would probably have to go for sharpness alone, not including the tip), it will take A LOT of grinding without power tools and a lot of care with power tools not to overheat the steel. 48HRC isn't super hard, but it should be enough for backyard cutting if the heat treat goes all the way through. If not you might reach even softer steel. EN45 is deep hardening, so it would be not easy to mess it up. You could open a new thread in "sword modification" subforum with pictures for more help, but in short you will definately feel a chenge with 3mm edge.
EDIT: As for a change in dimensions, there should not be much change if you apex the edge correctly and don't overgrind too much (easily under 1mm), except for the tip if you want it pointy. Best is to make a line in the middle of the edge, where you want the apex and grind to that. and to make a tip mark what you want and grind from the edge to the tip shape, then apex it, first tip shape then edge.
EDIT2: 15g does not sound that much, but keep in mind that of the 1100g of the sword, the blade will only be 600g or so, so it's a relatively big part of the blade. And as for abuse at 48HRC it won't break, but the edge will be relatively easy to roll on something hard, like wood or thick plastic, so I would advise for a thicker edge (like 27°+ per side) if you plan on heavy use.
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