A Dutch M1814 No.3 Light Cavalry Officers sabre.
Apr 13, 2018 20:00:20 GMT
Post by Uhlan on Apr 13, 2018 20:00:20 GMT
So. Looking into the matter above, I found a good picture of the inside of the M1814.
You never guess who has or had two of these, albeit Enlisted.
Anyway, The thumb rest thing can be put to pasture now. All along I assumed the inside of these M1814s to be flat. Not so. Turns out the Officer in question indeed did not want his uniform busted, hence the folding counter guard.
My bad. I should have done more research.
To my defence I must say that the pictorial info I had at my disposal at the time of writing was not clearly showing anything like a counter guard.
The Belgian M1802 were captured Dutch M1814s at first, so named after Belgian independence in 1831.
Later on they made them themselves. As was the case in Holland, they had a long service life as Cavalry and Artillery sabres.
The M1802/1884 was still the same old model. Only the scabbard was changed to have one ring and the bridge we know from, for instance Swedish sabres. As to why the Belgians dated their sabres as 1802? To make it their own, like in ,, Belgian''.
From 1884 the sabre was called ,,the Cavalry sabre model montmorency 1802''.
The old sabres were declassified in 1910!!!, but still kept in reserve.
The only way one can be sure to know whether one has a Dutch sabre or a Belgian variant,apart from the stamps if there are any, is to look at the ring mounts. The Belgian variant has the typical ,, Austrian '' or ,, German style'', pointy, one piece mount. The Dutch sabre has the good old little pierced globe on top of the scabbard ring, ,, in the French taste''.
See: www.abl1914.be/sabelTrein1802/sabelTrein1802.htm for info and pictures.
That darn counter guard:
Now where have I seen this background before?
The Bavarian M1788 is a Rumfort model, so as such far removed from any AN XIII clones.
What it had though is that same smallish upturned counter guard. The Bavarian M1826 had one too.
Note: I have edited the thread to reflect the new info.
Cheers.
You never guess who has or had two of these, albeit Enlisted.
Anyway, The thumb rest thing can be put to pasture now. All along I assumed the inside of these M1814s to be flat. Not so. Turns out the Officer in question indeed did not want his uniform busted, hence the folding counter guard.
My bad. I should have done more research.
To my defence I must say that the pictorial info I had at my disposal at the time of writing was not clearly showing anything like a counter guard.
The Belgian M1802 were captured Dutch M1814s at first, so named after Belgian independence in 1831.
Later on they made them themselves. As was the case in Holland, they had a long service life as Cavalry and Artillery sabres.
The M1802/1884 was still the same old model. Only the scabbard was changed to have one ring and the bridge we know from, for instance Swedish sabres. As to why the Belgians dated their sabres as 1802? To make it their own, like in ,, Belgian''.
From 1884 the sabre was called ,,the Cavalry sabre model montmorency 1802''.
The old sabres were declassified in 1910!!!, but still kept in reserve.
The only way one can be sure to know whether one has a Dutch sabre or a Belgian variant,apart from the stamps if there are any, is to look at the ring mounts. The Belgian variant has the typical ,, Austrian '' or ,, German style'', pointy, one piece mount. The Dutch sabre has the good old little pierced globe on top of the scabbard ring, ,, in the French taste''.
See: www.abl1914.be/sabelTrein1802/sabelTrein1802.htm for info and pictures.
That darn counter guard:
Now where have I seen this background before?
The Bavarian M1788 is a Rumfort model, so as such far removed from any AN XIII clones.
What it had though is that same smallish upturned counter guard. The Bavarian M1826 had one too.
Note: I have edited the thread to reflect the new info.
Cheers.